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The Forgotten Verses of “The Star-Spangled Banner”

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Do you know all the words to “The Star-Spangled Banner”? Many people have difficulty memorizing the lyrics of the first verse of this song, which is commonly performed at sports events and other public gatherings. But did you know that there are three additional verses that we almost never hear?

In 1814, the poet and lyricist Francis Scott Key penned the lyrics to “The Star-Spangled Banner,” originally known as “Defense of Fort M’Henry.” During the War of 1812, Key witnessed the attacks on Baltimore and wrote the words based on his experiences this night. These lyrics were printed in local newspapers and set to the tune of an existing song called “Anacreon in Heaven,” and then officially arranged by John Philip Sousa. Key’s famous lyrics entered the world as a broadside ballad, or a song written on a topical subject, and printed for wide distribution.

More than a century later, in 1916, President Woodrow Wilson signed an executive order designating “The Star-Spangled Banner” as the national anthem, and in 1931, the US Congress confirmed the decision. The tune has kicked off ceremonies of national importance and athletic events ever since.

While the first verse of “The Star-Spangled Banner” is widely known by the American public, the last three verses are generally omitted in performances. Here are all the four verses, as they were written 200 years ago by Key:

O say can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hail’d at the twilight’s last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
O’er the ramparts we watch’d were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave

O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream,
’Tis the star-spangled banner—O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the power that hath made and preserv’d us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto – “In God is our trust,”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

See also:
7 Wacky Words Born in the USA
Everyday Words Coined by American Presidents
O Say Can You Hear? A Look at Our National Anthem’s Poetic Roots

841 Comments

  1. KingChris -  September 19, 2016 - 6:05 am

    In response to Mark.
    Millions of White people love to make strawman arguments with regards to racism and discrimination of African Americans. The straw they black about is black on black crime. Which has virtually nothing to do with Racism, Discrimination, and Police Brutality. That is why Colin Kap will not stand.

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    • FSK -  September 20, 2016 - 1:17 pm

      If you think this country still has a race problem after 200+ years and with civil rights, college grants, black history month, and servers other things in favor to the blacks of America, then maybe you’re in the wrong country. The fact is that if you see racism then you are in fact racist. With the movement of BLM calling for the death of white cops and whites people and you’re still upset about slavery that hasn’t been alive in how many years(?), then move. Move to Sweden, move to Britain, no matter where you go, there you will be with race on your mind. The problems you have are just your problems, not problems that white america has caused you. Plain and simple. You want to abolish racism? In the words of Morgan freeman; “stop talking about it”

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      • Roger E -  September 20, 2016 - 11:04 pm

        You need to grow up if you believe racism doesn’t exist in USA. How and why do you think it’s equal that blacks get more time in prison for the same crime that whites commit. Everything you named that black people can do today has came with a price, mostly black lives. You not understanding that blacks stood up and took beatings to sit at the front of the bus, get served at a restaurant, or even march from one city to the next caused many lives. Remember that there are white supremacists groups that still exist that should tell you there is still racism in this country. When someone says vote for me what do I have to lose is a ridiculous statement. I have to lose everything that my ancestors have faught for. I’m proud to have their blood running through me but I know the fight is far from over. I also know that racism will never be deleted from this world and I accept that but for someone to say there isn’t any, will there just unintelligent. I don’t agree with black lives matter ways or even their name but they still can fight for what they believe is right. Hope you understand one day.

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      • Ashley -  September 21, 2016 - 9:13 am

        If I take that approach then I would need to stop talking about , cancer, AIDS, homelessness and a host of other human problems. It’s is difficult to stop talking about something I experience everyday of my life. You actually believe that white America has nothing to do with or does not contribute to the problem? Their are a multitude of historical facts since slavery that have proven the disparity of treatment of people of color as recently as two days ago. White America would like for people of color to stop talking about it, and pretend it’s not happening, but it still is. I don’t hate white America, I hate injustice!

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        • Chris -  September 22, 2016 - 8:40 am

          The existence of Cancer, AIDS, homelessness and a host of other human problems cannot be disputed. They are objective and often tangible entities. Therefore to simply not talk about them would not make them go away. The existence of racism is disputed every day. The debate is that continually bringing it up is what is keeping it alive. And as noted above it was not a white person that quote was taken from.
          A better analogy would be like spreading a false rumor about someone. The more it spreads the more people start believing it. Especially when the message is coming from people that are respected among their peers.
          Imagine Billy shows up at school with a shiny new pair of Jordans that his father worked 10 hours of overtime to buy him for his birthday. Joey is a jealous boy and decides to tell people Billy stole them. The rumor starts to spread and by the time it infiltrates the whole school Billy is spending his weekends knocking over banks. While this is a crude analogy it is very similar to how the message of racism spreads.
          No one is saying that there are absolutely no racists out there. I’m quite certain there are. But America is not fundamentally racist. And to continually accuse and cite examples of it that are easily explained by other means only serves to perpetuate the notion rather than squelch it. Sometimes awareness can be a bad thing. Let’s just all take personal responsibility for our own actions and try to live in peace!

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          • Nancy -  September 22, 2016 - 12:58 pm

            You are clearly uneducated in the history of this country, youre also clearly uneducated to the present as well…everything that is happening now has been in the making for hundreds of years..its called oppression….You do not face this racism so how would you know?..50% of white america knows whats going on but sits quiet simply because it doesnt affect their day to day life…it also didnt affect the life they were born into out of pure privilege….the other 50% are just ignorant to the matter and choose not to educate theirself again because it does not effect them……the government is a sham, a cover up for the zillionaires who annomously run this country….wake up!! #truth

      • Jannifer Deas -  September 21, 2016 - 11:58 am

        Maybe you are in the wrong country if you think I do not have a right to express my opinion. We are not going anywhere!!

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      • Brit -  September 21, 2016 - 12:08 pm

        We Brits think you guys over the pond are a bit thick…. your comments totally back that up.
        American wealth is based on exploitation.
        It should be white people who leave as it is NOT your country.
        You stole it…. Close the door behind you, half wit!!

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        • Max -  September 22, 2016 - 12:21 pm

          Every Country in the world was founded on violence, and theft.

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      • Michele E. Hutchinson -  September 21, 2016 - 3:47 pm

        What Morgan Freeman meant, blind man is stop talking about it and take action.

        You are being called ‘Blind Man’ because racism in America is not only imposed on Black people but, Latino, Asian, and Muslims of all races.

        My guess would be that your blindness keeps you ignorant of what’s happens in our land and since you can’t see it or even hear it you are mostly likely behaving like a racist.

        I hope not it out character shows in our words and our actions.

        You have a lot of company yet, not enough, regardless of race, skin color, facial features or religion, to keep those with love in our hearts for human beings and domesticated animals.

        We see all of the above designator as a plan and challenge to see if people can live in harmony with each other and our differences.

        Look in the mirror and take self inventory. Ask yourself what am I missing and how can I see to make this a better community where I live.
        Michele

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      • Fcb -  September 21, 2016 - 6:30 pm

        No one tells the Jews they should forget about what happened to their ancestors , actually it’s recognized every year of the atrocities that were done to these people, they were even given reparations, and still to this day family members of ancestors receive it, and yes they are paid from the United states as well. You also don’t hear about police killings of Jews either.
        So if someone calls me a nigger, black piece of shit, or throws a glass bottle at me while telling me to go back to Africa, and yes this has happened to me in USA, and I was born here as we’re my parents, I should just forget that racism still exist and that this is all just a figment of my imagination

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      • Shyroyce jones -  September 21, 2016 - 8:51 pm

        It’s funny that’s the first thing you ppl let come out y’all mouth. If you feel that we’re in the wrong country because of how we feel about what’s going in this world today. Then how about you do us all a big favor and send us back to where we came from. Your ancestors brought us here send us back!!!! If you can’t afford to I advise you keep your shit like that to yourself. You need to do your research this isn’t the whites land. It’s the natives land so I advise you pack up and leave.

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      • JohnnyBeeDawg -  September 22, 2016 - 4:57 am

        AMEN. Perfectly stated.
        People who spend all their time focusing on skin color instead of the content of character are RACISTS. Black Lives Matter…are you listening? Exposed.

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      • Theresa -  September 22, 2016 - 5:39 am

        I’m a African American female, USAF Retired 26yrs of service, fit, attractive, professional, educated woman. I say this because you would think this person who not be discriminated against! But it still hapens everyday. In the workplace, at stores, the mall, restaurants, etc. I could go on. Racism still occurs in the US everyday. Yes we have come a long way, but not far enough. I love my country and respect our flag, but too many black people are hurt unjustly. Try this experiment: Go out in black faced makeup ans see how u are treated, your disguise needs to look authentic….if you have the courage to do this please share the results.

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      • Blake -  September 22, 2016 - 5:48 am

        It is not hard to disprove your argument. There is a difference between racism and Prejudice. Racism is having the power to oppress a certain group of people. You don’t think black people are still oppressed? When my family was moving into a house in the late nineties, the real estate agent used as a selling point the fact that certain houses would not be sold to black families so we wouldn’t have to worry about minorities living in our neighborhood. And people wonder why it is so difficult for black families to move out of the ghetto. second example, when a black person is killed by the police, they are immediately smeared in the media. We are told about how horrible of a person they were, how they lived a life of crime, and would have had that coming to them eventually anyways. A white kid rape somebody violently, and the judge decides that sentencing him to prison would ruin his future and he has so much potential to look forward to, so he only serves two months. That is how racism Works nowadays. So sure, I would love to just stop talking about it like Morgan Freeman suggest, but when people are actually judged differently in society, not given the same opportunities, and treated differently in a court of law, then we aren’t being treated as equal, and the talk about racism has to continue.

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        • Jennifer Roper -  September 22, 2016 - 12:46 pm

          I agree with this statement 100% so be it! The talk will continue!

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      • Jennifer Roper -  September 22, 2016 - 11:05 am

        First of all you aren’t African American and can’t speak on our behalf. A person has the right to take a stand on their beliefs and if they don’t want to stand up for star spangled banner it is alright for them to do so. It shouldn’t be a Black history month because the history I’m living is 24 hours days 7 day a week, 52 weeks a year 365 a year so my Black history is everyday of my life so it should be incorporated into our history lessons every day! We have come a long way but in small steps and we got a longer way to go. There is still prejudices, bigotry and racism in the workplace, in schools and it is alive and well in America. I see it everyday of my life and until it is completely wiped out there will always be issues.

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      • JFK -  September 22, 2016 - 2:52 pm

        How can you tell a certain race to move from this country if we don’t like it? You really need to go back and open a book. First of all this is not even your country to tell anyone to move anywhere. This country belonged to the Native Americans and several other races inhabited this country long before Columbus brought over all the criminals to help steal it. This country was actually great before Europeans stole it. Once they did there was hate, disease, murder, robbery, rape and god knows what else. So let’s know our facts before making statements. Sounds like you have an issue with the truth. May God bless you with the knowledge and discernment you need. #Peace

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      • Tommy -  September 23, 2016 - 10:58 am

        That can’t be true. If racism is not in America then if I see rasicm and I’m in America then I can’t possibly be racist cause there is no racism in America right.

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    • Mike -  September 20, 2016 - 6:09 pm

      Black on black crime is a red herring denying the issue at hand a time and place for thoughtful discourse. If you wanna get into it, most crime is a product of the scarcity of capital, opportunity and resources, not race. Gentrification, land ownership, urban development, city planning, etc. create the segregated neighborhoods the majority of Americans live in. It’s taken generations of rasicm and inaction against racism to cloister and stifle the large populations of minorities in this country by historically a white majority of lawmakers and public officials. The tax code further erodes opportunity in densely-populated urban areas, decreasing the opportunities where the people who need a chance at a life away from desperate acton actually live! It’s not about race, it’s about money. It’s about who has it and how they write the rules for everyone else so they can keep their wealth and in turn keep their power.

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      • Ashley -  September 21, 2016 - 9:29 am

        Let’s compare apples to apples. White on white crime is just as high as black on black crime. What we are talking about is police violence against people of color.

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    • Do What? -  September 22, 2016 - 5:17 pm

      In English, please.

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  2. OLD SCHOOL BBOY -  September 18, 2016 - 8:53 pm

    Colin Kaepernick’s protest is to highlight violations of civil rights. (putting it mildly). Ironically “so many” want to in-turn deny him his right. His protest is peaceful, non-violent and addresses something that is woven into the fabric of American society. But we are not discussing the why or the underlying issues, we are creating distractions while the purpose of his protest are minimized and lost… The issues cannot be distracted away, like any problem, they need to be discussed and dealt with. Hopefully Colin’s actions will spark change.

    22 1/2 Year Military Veteran!

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  3. Biondicone -  September 17, 2016 - 6:15 am

    If any of you would study your true history, this song was written when our forefathers fought from ‘oppression’ from tyrannical Britain. The FREEDOM you HAVE Voice Your Concerns…FREEDOM that the remembrance of the FLAG & STAR SPANGLED BANNER SONG that was FOUGHT for your FREEDOM. It has NOTHING to do with the slavery you speak about!

    American prisoners were being held by the Brits and Key was an attorney to negotiate their freedom from dept. However, upon their release, Key was told an ultimatum that we lower the Flag or Fort Henry would be demolished.

    If the flag was lowered the Brits would stop shelling and America would be under British rule. BUT we fought for our freedom! Freedom from tyrannty. The prisoners questioned Key all night long about the Flag. Every bomb red glare illuminated the Flag…

    The British Admiral said “Your people are insane…what is the matter with them. Don’t they understand this is an impossible situation?” Key told him he remembered what George Washington said, “the thing that sets the American Christian apart from all other people in the world is He will die on his feet before He’ll live on his knees.”

    All guns were now focused to take that Flag down. The barrage was unmerciful….all Key could hear the men down below praying the prayer, “God Keep that flag flying, where we last saw it.”

    Sunrise came with a heavy mist, the rampart was tall enough for Key to see the Flag, totally non-descript in threads, on an askew pole, it was still at the top! Key went ashore and found that the Flag had received viscous direct hits. BUT when it had fallen, men, fathers, who knew what it meant for that Flag to be on the ground, knowing that ALL the British guns were trained upon it, walked and held it up…HUMANLY…until they died! Their bodies were removed and others took their place!

    Key said what held that pole in the unusual angle were patriot’s bodies!
    The dept was demanded…the price was paid…

    That is when he penned the song…Oh Say Can You See…

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    • Linda Diehl -  September 19, 2016 - 1:44 pm

      I would love to share this if I could but I would love to have your name so I can quote you.

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      • Chris -  September 22, 2016 - 9:52 am

        While eloquent, I don’t believe the words are Biondicone’s I watched a youtube video that had this narration almost verbatim.

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    • Valerie Rose Carey -  September 20, 2016 - 12:43 am

      Biondicone, of all the writing here, yours is the truth. I am not an American but I love America. I just wish that all the people here, making cruel comments against America, would realise, that the British/English are the nastiest race on the planet, and that most of the troubles in the world today are caused of what the British/English did in their so called British empire days, and that includes selling the slaves to America. I am of mixed race Portugese and Indian, and it has always amazed me how the African Americans blame the white Americans for slavery, but fail to realise the real root of their problem was the British, who actually went to Africa, packed them like sardines on boats, killing thousands of them, and shipping them to America and the rest of the world.

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      • Roger E -  September 21, 2016 - 5:07 am

        What your saying is because another country started slavery we shouldn’t be mad at those that still treat African American wrong today. What is weird is that you say it was the British who packed people on boats came to America and no one said turn your boats around because we don’t do that. What your not realizing is that the war the song is talking about is during a time slavery was okay and continued until the 1860′s when it wasnt under British control. How do we explain that in the 1900′s African Americans caught for this country in many wars and when they came home they were not treated equally. I’m sadden by those who think African Americans needs to just stop their fight for equal rights because even though it’s written in a constitution that we are equal we are clearly not. Martin Luther King Jr. legacy and all those before him will not be down played by ignorance.

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    • Ashley -  September 21, 2016 - 9:17 am

      Why wer those verses omitted?

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    • Greg -  September 23, 2016 - 7:36 am

      Excerpt from an investigation of the above claims…(truth-telling)

      1) It was the War of 1812, not the Revolutionary War — there were 15 states, not 13 colonies.

      2) There was no ultimatum to Baltimore, nor to the U.S., as this fellow describes it.
      3) Key negotiated for the release of one man, Dr. Beanes. There was no brig full of U.S. prisoners.
      4) The nation would not have reverted to British rule had Fort McHenry fallen.
      5) There were 50 ships, not hundreds. Most of them were rafts with guns on them. Baltimore Harbor is an arm of Chesapeake Bay; Fort McHenry is not on the ocean.
      6) The battle started in daylight.
      7) Bogus quote: George Washington never said “What sets the American Christian apart from all other people in this world is he will die on his feet before he will live on his knees.” Tough words. Spanish Civil War. Not George Washington.
      8) The battle was not over the flag; the British were trying to take Baltimore, one of America’s great ports. At this point, they rather needed to since the Baltimore militia had stunned and stopped the ground troops east of the city.
      9) There were about 25 American casualties. Bodies of the dead were not used to hold up the flag pole — a 42 by 30 foot flag has to be on a well-anchored pole, not held up by a few dead bodies stacked around it.

      Facts are clearly not part of your daily life, Biondicone, I can see.

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  4. Nyte -  September 15, 2016 - 8:45 am

    I should probably avoid this discussion. But being the ever so tempted, I won’t.

    Certainly, the phrase in question is talking about slaves.entreated to freedom as they were during the original war for independence. The line simply means even hiring slaves would not win the day. It’s not even a curse. It’s just acknowledges that they found no victory on that day alongside the British. Trying to bleed more meaning from it requires more tent pegs than is available.

    The Civil War was not fought to free slaves. that was an after thought. .If it had been up Pres. Lincoln, the south could keep slaves if they remained in the union. Read, the emancipation proclamation — it’s very clear. States not in rebellion could keep their slaves. Slavery was constitutional.

    As with the revolutionary war blacks faced a difficult dilemma. Fight for a country proclaiming individual liberty as the highest order, but maintained slaves. That’s a very peculiar dilemma to be in. Given that reality, I could not never fault any black who chose a bid for freedom. That is after all a high enough order to revolt against God and one’s mother country. And let’s face it — God’s word makes revolution as launched against the crown, a challenge to God himself. Of course one has to actually know scripture to grasp that.

    Given the revolution for freedom, I could not fault any blacks held as slaves who rebelled – even violently. Good for the goose good for the gander sorta of thing.

    What the referenced verse does not do is defend slavery. That is not it’s point, in any manner. That is an entirely different question.

    The tragedy of slavery in the US cannot be ameliorated by the reality that other nations had slaves. No other nation established as it foundation – liberty, and the pursuit of happiness . . . or that all n are created equal . . .

    It was that hypocrisy at the very cornerstone of who we are that haunts us. It has been the choice of the nation at every turn to avoid it’s founding self — that is the US tragedy. And some four hundred years of deigning a life of slavery (since before the founding) is going have deep lasting impacts.

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    • Nyte -  September 15, 2016 - 8:48 am

      Excuse my typo’s. Admittedly not writer.

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      • rashad -  September 18, 2016 - 3:21 pm

        How could you even think that that verse wasn’t racist when the person who wrote it was a slave owning racist?

        In 1814, Key was a slaveholding lawyer from an old Maryland plantation family, who thanks to a system of human bondage had grown rich and powerful.

        When he wrote the poem that would, in 1931, become the national anthem and proclaim our nation “the land of the free,” like Jefferson, Key not only profited from slaves, he harbored racist conceptions of American citizenship and human potential. Africans in America, he said, were: “a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community.”

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        • MEME -  September 20, 2016 - 8:12 am

          Thomas Edison owned slaves (a very large slave owner for that fact), I don’t see anyone protesting using lights or electricity.

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        • Chris -  September 22, 2016 - 8:53 am

          Someone is a TYT fan!

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    • Jim -  September 16, 2016 - 7:49 am

      James McPherson, Pulitzer Prize winning author and historian wrote:
      “The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries.”

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      • Antonio Ferguson -  September 19, 2016 - 5:57 pm

        And that authors you quoted was also sadly mistaken and in obvious denial, but a better point or question to you sir is how can “we” shape our future together with out using fear to influence? It hurts me to see otherwise intelligent folks by into this great vicious cycle. I’m learning not to be a consumer but instead a “conserver”, I’m raising my girls and my grand son to be independent thinkers, and lovers of righteousness, and not racist, which means one who looks at, or studies race, and I’m teaching them to reach out and seek knowledge instead of so much entertainment, these are the things that the new leaders of the “up- incoming new school” are learning, and not the bigoted stuff we learned which only made us beholden unto one side or another.

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    • Jacques Cousteau -  September 16, 2016 - 1:40 pm

      No it specifically says there is no escaping death for slaves and hirelings. There is really no talking around this with your red herring history lesson.

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      • Nyte -  September 16, 2016 - 8:25 pm

        I am unclear who this message is intended for.

        But in neither of the two previous posts is their any denial that slaves and those hired (privateers) would meet defeat at the hands of the US, whether said enemies, hired or not.

        I think you are attempting to make hay where none exists. There is not question that former slaves or others once under US jurisdiction, could ace the death penalty, if captured. I am unclear where your point of contention is directed.

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  5. Billy -  September 14, 2016 - 12:16 pm

    All those in the military pipe down! You ain’t fighting for no freedom! You fighting to oppress others and their way of life. You are controlled by the 1%. You are police of the world but only you kill the innocent of other countries! No war was America ever threatened it was always America going to take someone land and natural resource or clearing out the middle east for Isreal.

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    • Zack -  September 16, 2016 - 8:15 am

      Brother that couldn’t be any farther from the truth. Feel free to email me if you would like to have an intelligent conversation about it.

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    • C -  September 16, 2016 - 6:47 pm

      If that’s how you feel about the men and women who have given their lives for our country ” The United States Of America” then go live in another country. This is the greatest country in the world. Our service people have given up their lives, their blood for YOUR FREEDOM! If you don’t care then go to hell!

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    • Shawn -  September 17, 2016 - 11:00 pm

      Dude, Our military has and will, absolutely, fight for our freedom. We have been threatened but never as greatly as recent history.. We are not at all safe.

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    • Ed -  September 19, 2016 - 7:47 am

      So America was never threatened in any war. Well what do you call Peral Harbor? What do you call the World Trade Center? I would call them threats. We are not just police and we do not just kill innocent people. Get your facts straight.

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    • Robert -  September 19, 2016 - 8:28 am

      Ok, you say the military goes and take the lands from other countries, I guess I have missed out on owning land in other countries! On that note, what land have we (the U.S.) kept?

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  6. GB -  September 13, 2016 - 8:32 am

    How about we stop worrying about what people do when the damn song comes on and worry about yourselves. Damn its only a song. Im a 22 year USMC veteran and I wont stand for no damn song. Its a song for Gods sake. No one is ever going to agree on anything so get over it. Just like people don’t stand behind all these young men and woman who are out there on the front lines dying for your freedom but you sure do love that freedom on the expense of someone else’s life.

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    • William Satterfield -  September 13, 2016 - 7:09 pm

      Makes good sense on your point

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      • Deidre Hall -  September 14, 2016 - 5:38 pm

        The people who refuse to stand are not honoring the American flag because they don’t feel free from the injustices which have taken place since the civil rights movement. It is their rights to not honor the words of the Anthem, but the words which they don’t conceive as being right and just. Is it true that all are free and brave, and who do we really trust in? They are just exercising their right as Americans. Don’t try to analyze this too deeply but put yourself in other’s shoes and then you’ll be able to understand their position.

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    • Candance Dixon -  September 13, 2016 - 7:14 pm

      22yrs old you’ve never fought in a war so you don’t know what it is to honor your country if by simply standing in honor of a song. I hate that I wasted my time reading your worthless words

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      • Constance Keptic -  September 14, 2016 - 10:53 am

        He’s not 22 years old. He’s a 22-year veteran. So he does have some experience.

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      • Chester Payne -  September 14, 2016 - 10:59 am

        GB did NOT say he was 22 years old. What he said is that he is a 22 year veteran of the US Marine Corps. I imagine he has seen his share and then some of combat. Perhaps you should take a class in reading comprehension, as I caught that when I read his statement the first time. Oh, and yes, I have had my share of being in places where I wasn’t exactly the guest of honor myself, even if I didn’t have to worry about a rifle shot, or a suicide bomber taking me out.

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      • The Song is disgusting .....Racist idol -  September 14, 2016 - 11:01 am

        The Song is disgusting and I was in the military.

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      • Rhonda Moore -  September 14, 2016 - 3:44 pm

        He is not 22 years old he is a war veteran with 22 years of service under his belt. He is a grown man that makes some sense.

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      • Hairlarry888 -  September 14, 2016 - 11:28 pm

        This is the level of comprehension of most people who claim to care so much about the song

        “22yrs old you’ve never fought in a war so you don’t know what it is to honor your country if by simply standing in honor of a song. I hate that I wasted my time reading your worthless words”

        This lady thought after reading the guys comment above that he was 22 years old when he clearly said he was in the US Marines for 22 years.

        These are very very sad and uneducated people care so much about a song.

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      • Michael R. -  September 15, 2016 - 5:59 am

        They said they are a 22 year Marine Corp Veteran, not that they were 22 years old. Your entire comment is now irrelevant. Try understanding what you read next time before you make a fool of yourself.

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      • Mark -  September 15, 2016 - 8:00 am

        Learn to read, He said he was a 22 year USMC veteran. Not that he was 22 years old!!!

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      • raycin -  September 15, 2016 - 8:32 am

        Try actually reading GB’s post. 22 years in the Marine Corps, not 22 years old.

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      • Ch -  September 15, 2016 - 7:28 pm

        Candance You are just as dumb as the song for not READING HIS STATEMENT CLEARLY. HE’S A 22 YEAR VERTERN ..

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      • Combat Medic Veteran -  September 15, 2016 - 7:38 pm

        Even if he were only 22, any 22 year old serving or having served, in the Military would know more about sacrifice than most.

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    • Bridget -  September 13, 2016 - 7:44 pm

      Thank you! Finally someone that understands! I’m prior Army…I know a lot of people who didn’t realize I was in the military (and a mechanic at that) because I am a short, slim, multi-racial female…and they would talk bad about the military saying that we are just trigger happy people. These small minded friends are no longer in my circle and I let it go….Now all this crap about the Star Spangled Banner is getting ridiculous….like you said, it’s a song….those who knelt down during the anthem have every right to…we fought for their freedom to do so and I respect them for exercising the first amendment on our behalf. It is your military work and mine along with the millions of other military vets, active duty members and reservists that allowed them to practice the first amendment. They are respecting us by abiding by the first amendment….some might not realize it but I know the football players that did the kneeling respect the military for giving them this right. People are going to be people and that’s how God intended it to be so He can pick and choose…I am not one to judge who stands and who kneels….& I don’t expect to be judged for standing or kneeling….shoot…I’ve got 4 kids, I might just be tired of I’m kneeling or praying to God. Thank you for your service my fellow military Soldier!

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      • Rhonda Moore -  September 14, 2016 - 3:46 pm

        It is as much a show of respect as standing

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      • Tommy -  September 17, 2016 - 10:48 pm

        I really enjoyed reading your comment and thank you for your service

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    • TJ -  September 16, 2016 - 6:46 am

      I agree with you Candice, but the Veteran said that he served 22yrs.. Obviously, she misread the comment. It has nothing to do with her lack of comprehension ability, as most of you have at least one grammatical error in your reply..
      Clearly a 22 yr. old Serviceman wouldn’t have a clue about engaging in a real war..
      I respect what anyone has to say in this discussion. The concern for me is.. Was there ever a real threat to the US from other countries without a cause? Has our country in some ways been the Bully over the years? We’ve allied with other countries for what? We’re indebted to them for various reasons, and they need us as muscle to help invade other’s land.. America is America. The Constitution, here, will soon become obsolete anyway. Get ready! The worse is yet to come. These responses to a faulty Anthem that has never been exemplary of any type of freedom to a certain people group can go on for years..

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      • Anonymous -  September 17, 2016 - 2:52 pm

        With all due respect, most 22 yr old soldiers have probably seen more war, conflict, and bloodshed than any of us ever will. How many 22 year olds (or even younger, or slightly older) are overseas in Afghanistan or elsewhere in the middle east? She clearly misunderstood GB’s comment, but yours is an insult to our young men and women stationed in hot spots around the world.

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  7. Valerie Rose Carey -  September 6, 2016 - 6:11 pm

    The third verse of the song is NOT referring to black slaves nor to the American practice of slavery. Read it. It is addressing the British enemy, who were threatening American independence–
    “And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
    That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
    A home and a Country should leave us no more?”
    In celebration of the American defeat of the British, the lyrics continue:.
    “No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,”
    The above refers to the British army who had been deployed to our shores. It was largely made up of Hessian mercenaries–hirelings and slaves. It is intended as an insult.
    It is so often a shock to me–how many people in internet forums are functionally illiterate.

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    • Tarif -  September 7, 2016 - 11:37 am

      Wow, if I read this right your saying the word slave in this verse is not talking about slaves. That makes no sense. Please tell me what slaves was he talking about? You called people illiterate said that the people were illiterate well I’m sorry to inform you that it’s a well-known fact that Great Britain hired runaway African slaves and Native Americans to fight in the Americas so I’m sorry to inform you run away African slaves from America no place else. So yes in fact he was talking about slaves

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      • Anthony White -  September 10, 2016 - 6:01 am

        The British offered the slaves their freedom in return for their assistance.

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      • Cindy -  September 10, 2016 - 1:15 pm

        You are correct, they were most definitely referring to black slaves, whom indeed were forced to fight on the French and Indian War. The European used slaves from their “Slave Trade,” to fight and be killed with no respect for thir lives.

        Many white Americans fail to acknowledge the truth about, U.S. History or American History. We are not here for a song in order to be patriotic in a country that doesn’t include us as equal Americans with free and equal rights. The Declaration for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness wasn’t for the inclusions of blacks.
        So as long as blacks are being killed on America’s streets by the so called “Patriotic” men and women in uniform, there will be less people standing in unison singing a song that doesn’t honor all Americans.

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        • Mo -  September 12, 2016 - 10:24 am

          Best comment thus far!

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          • Mo -  September 12, 2016 - 10:25 am

            Cindy.. Best comment is far

        • Antonio Sepeda -  September 12, 2016 - 7:59 pm

          Thank you, Cindy.

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        • Aram -  September 13, 2016 - 9:20 am

          Agreed. Top comment.

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        • Larry De Pew -  September 13, 2016 - 1:16 pm

          To understand this verse one must place it in context both of the verse and historical context. Fist, context of the verse,
          “And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
          That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
          A home and a Country should leave us no more?”
          This is clearly the speaking of the British who were Vaunting (boasting) the American s would no longer have a country.
          Second, context of history. words often tend to have more than one meaning, and the best way to understand this is to look at the meanings of slave in the oldest American dictionary, the 1828 Noah Websters dictionary.
          Slave 1. A person who is wholly subject to the will of another; one who has no will of his own, but whose person and services are wholly under the control of another. In the early state of the world, and to this day among some barbarous nations, prisoners of war are considered and treated as slaves. The slaves of modern times are more generally purchased, like horses and oxen.
          2. One who has lost the poser of resistance; or one who surrenders himself to any power whatever; as a slave to passion, to lust, to ambition.
          3. A mean person; one in the lowest state of life.
          4. A drudge; one who labors like a slave
          Finally, context of poetry. we must remember that this is a poem and words are not used in their most literal sense but figurative sense. When these three contexts are combined, and the poem is looked at through its proper context, it becomes clear this is not speaking of a slave as we look at the word in 2016 but as a British Soldier that has surrendered his will to the King.

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          • Denise -  September 14, 2016 - 3:45 pm

            Wow that is just insulting! White folks will die with the lie. Like we can’t read and comprehend for ourselves. You need to go back to school.

          • Larry De Pew -  September 16, 2016 - 7:40 am

            Denise You tell me my comment is insulting yet you do explain why. Look at the verse, as I said in context, and explain how it is not speaking of the British. Look at the line, “Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.” Would an American speak this way of his own Soldiers? No, he would speak this way of the enemy soldiers. The context then is clearly set for the verse, he is speaking of the British Army.
            Now how was the British Army constituted in 1814? In consisted of two parts; first, the mercenary. Most of these were Hessian, or members of one of the many Germanic city states at the time. Germany, as a nation did not exist at the time. This would be the hireling. Second, the British Regular, or subjects of the King.
            The British were subject to the kings will and acts every American today takes for granted were controlled by British law. Even something as simple as inheritance was controlled by law. If you were not the first born son you had three choices, the Army, an internship (if your father could arrange one), or the church. Now, going back to Noah Websters dictionary, written just fourteen years after the battle, a slave is anyone that is “wholly subject to the will of another” or “one that has lost the poser of resistance”. Both of these fit the British Regular. Now if you are trying to insult someone would slave not be the best term to use for them?
            You said I need to go back to school, yet I am the one who has articulated a reasoned response, and thought through what the verse means rather than simply react with name calling. So, how exactly am I the one that needs to be re-educated?

        • Gloria Hardy -  September 13, 2016 - 7:27 pm

          Thank You

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        • Samira -  September 14, 2016 - 6:01 am

          Best comment, Cindy! Thanks for this. People need to understand.

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        • Brenda -  September 14, 2016 - 7:17 am

          The Free Slaves were fighting the British during this battle right along with every person that could be recruited due to the lack of forces at the Fort.
          Everyone that was not military volunteered including many of the Free Slaves in the area. The Fort was outnumbered with just over 1000 able bodied men up against at least 4500 British Soldiers. Key was being held captive by the British on one of their ships. That is when he wrote the song and I think the verse that lists participants was meant as respect for the “Heroes” that fought to maintain that location from the British invasion of America.

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          • Michael R. -  September 15, 2016 - 6:10 am

            He wrote a poem, not a song. The poem was shortened to just the first verse and put to a bar song. Yea, great National Anthem for America.

        • Hairlarry888 -  September 14, 2016 - 11:33 pm

          Great comments Cindy, way to bring real truth to this thread. These people are in denial and any time a person of color brings up if these social issues, there is pushback by the comfortably numb.

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        • Ell -  September 15, 2016 - 8:37 am

          Keep playing your song and dance. More whites are killed by police annually than any other race. Thanks for your ridiculous comment. You lose, good day.

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          • Ke'ane Hoxie -  September 19, 2016 - 3:18 pm

            Going to play devil’s advocate, There are statistically more white people im America so it would make sense that more would be killed.

        • Anonymous -  September 17, 2016 - 2:57 pm

          Thank you Cindy. Excellent comment. As a white woman, I too refuse to stand for this song as a show of solidarity with my brothers and sisters of color. I respect our military greatly (both my father and one of my older brothers were in the Army), but I don’t have to stand for this damn song to prove it. And I shouldn’t have to.

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        • Tamara Cooke -  September 18, 2016 - 12:35 am

          You Better tell the truth Cindy…That makes Sense…Respect to everyone else…Candance get it together girlie..

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      • Hannah Jackson -  September 10, 2016 - 3:34 pm

        Your ignorance is astonishing. And I’m a black American and I understand this is just a bunch of garbage the Progressives are bringing up in an attempt to divide the nation.

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        • Denise -  September 12, 2016 - 2:44 pm

          You call yourself a Black person read a book and learn some history. And I guess you believe when he wrote this the state-owned that he was was referring to slaves when he said the land of the free.

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        • April -  September 12, 2016 - 3:52 pm

          Thank you for your comment. Most Americans do not fully understand our history since progressive messaging entered our classrooms. Their intent is to drive wedges in our core values and detach us from our heritage.

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        • Ken -  September 13, 2016 - 7:23 am

          You are silly if you think this nation isnt already divided. Uncle Tom!

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        • NS -  September 15, 2016 - 8:57 am

          Stand tall Hannah, regressives love to take 1 line out of context and ignore history. They enslave todays citizens by brainwashing them to believe things that just aren’t true and then send them on the streets to protest. This nation hasn’t been this divided in 60 years, and that is just how they want it. They can’t oppress and control if the people aren’t turned against each other. And todays citizens are too lazy and too “busy” to take the time to learn more than the one liners they see on twitter or headlines, so they are slaves to the social and political elites and don’t even know it. They don’t care about things in context and within the events of the time. They don’t want to acknowledge that the British used slaves of all colors, treated everyone from the colonies to India with disrespect and made lots of promises they had no intention of keeping. It’s kinda why we fought for independence to begin with. Look at all the hateful comments you get for telling the truth – Ken actually called you an Uncle Tom. So stand tall Hannah, all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing.

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      • Kyle -  September 12, 2016 - 11:25 am

        It’s referring to the mercinaries and slaves from the British ships, the ones firing cannons at amercantile soil…. believe it or not, america was not the only slave owning country in the world, nor were they the first. I know that shocks some people, but disrespecting this country over a skewed translation of ONE line from our anthem is the most idiotic, uneducated, unappreciative thing an individual can do. There I said it.

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        • Carla -  September 13, 2016 - 11:06 am

          Yeah lots of countries were dehumanizing and entire race of people, so really we should just be proud that we weren’t first. I am afraid that most people are NOT protesting over one line. They are protesting because the song represents a country that fails to live up to its’ creed. All men are NOT treated equally. Wealthy white men DECIDE who gets what, when where and how much.

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        • Denise -  September 14, 2016 - 3:36 pm

          One line that can not be construed is that this was or is the land of the free. Black people are not free to move live or just be in this country like the privileged white class. If you can’t see that you perpetuate the problem.

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          • TRU PATRIOT -  September 17, 2016 - 11:36 pm

            ARE YOU KIDDING ME, DENISE??? I think you have it backwards…YOUR THINKING IS THE PROBLEM!!! A black person has the same benefits as a white person if not more. There are no “white” grants for scholarships that are only for the white folk. BUT, there is grants set up for just black people. FAIR? No. In the work place, a black man is hired before a white man and a black woman is hired before a white woman. It doesn’t even matter if the black person is qualified. FAIR? No. You see, we all must work hard to be somebody. Nothing is going to be given to us. We are all treated the same. The difference is how we all compose ourselves. If you still find it in your heart to continue to hate, then hate the black man that sold black people to the white AND black people! God Bless!

          • yolanda young -  September 21, 2016 - 12:32 pm

            TRU Patriot

            These things were only put in place because of segregation and discrimination. We were not allowed in Yale, Princeton, Harvard or any other major university to get a quality education, so we started our own schools HBCU’s. Our grandparents were beaten and killed if caught ready. Yes jobs were using discriminating practice is why affirmative action was put in place. All these things you speak about were a direct result of discrimination. If this is truly the home of the free and the brave. It’s high time we start acting like it. America is great, but it can be greater and it is up to us to make it the place we all dream it can be.

        • Roxanne -  September 17, 2016 - 4:53 pm

          I now understand the context and therefore meaning of these words. The slaves were sent into battle by the British. Regardless, the motivation to participate was their freedom. It is my belief that the 2nd verse is still inflammatory considering our history of enslaving mainly Africans brought to our country by force for economic gain in the south and the discrimination that continues today. Understanding history is important and I see the intent was not as it first seemed. Again still ironic that what we fought against is endorsed as accepted practices. I am not seeing that much better treatment of the working class in American history than the British. Slavery is an inhumane practice that cannot be justified.

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      • Elizabeth -  September 12, 2016 - 2:06 pm

        There are still 46 million slaves in this world in 2016, enslavement is not just what happened in the history of America, it is happening right now as we speak. The general consensus of the word slave in that song is in fact that the British enslaved American seamen that were captured in war (as this still happens in 2016). Please read the fifth “verse” that was written in 1861 by Oliver Wendall Holmes Sr., as it celebrates the Unions fight to free the slaves. Don’t be so quick to believe what someone else spouts off about. It pays to inform yourself and realize that coming together accomplishes more than trying to create more racial divides. Mr. King said it best when he said, “hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.”
        Mr. Ghandi also mentioned, “be the change That you wish to see in the world.”
        We can all continue to complain about circumstances or we can stand up together to create change. It’s time to stop talking about race and start talking about how what is happening is wrong and must stop.

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        • Denise -  September 14, 2016 - 3:40 pm

          You are not even complaining change comes once white folks stop hating Black people. You people care more about songs and ideals than human life.

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      • Ralph -  September 13, 2016 - 11:12 am

        It is irrelevant to whom he is referring or whether it is literal or metaphoric. The word “slave” is not derogatory, so whether the slave reference is figurative or literal, he is not saying anything offensive or crude. There is no reason to take offense. And the interpretation can be subjective. To me, he’s trying to illustrate the horror or war, not offer an opinion on slavery.

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        • Honest Man -  September 14, 2016 - 10:20 pm

          Agreed Ralph

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        • Roxanne -  September 17, 2016 - 5:14 pm

          I am pretty sure we don’t sing the second verse because of the word slave. It appears we are taking the word out if context in this poem but I think we all agree we feel uncomfortable singing a National Anthem with the history and therefore meaning of the word slavery in America.

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      • Jay Baldwin -  September 13, 2016 - 2:19 pm

        Right… I agree with you Tarif! I’m sitting here reading the comment like, “What?” Then who were the slaves then… The fishes in the sea?? People irritate me with their denial and political correctness. Naw, he was STRAIGHT UP talking about slaves. No matter how you wanna spin it around.

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      • Chester Payne -  September 14, 2016 - 11:02 am

        In this case, the Hessians were not above bringing slave labor along with them. They were HIRED to fight the rebels of the colonies, and their pay included whoever and whatever they decided was needed for them to live in an unfriendly land.

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      • DL -  September 16, 2016 - 12:00 pm

        yes, he is referring to slaves but also hirelings . meaning the paid mercenaries as well as unpaid slaves that fought for the British and he is insulting BOTH the paid and unpaid saying that the British couldn’t even win with their help. With the way people are so quick to play the race card I imagine that had Key NOT acknowledged the slaves contribution they’d be all pissed off that they WEREN’T mentioned and how their sacrifice was deemed unimportant.
        and Cindy,yes, police are thugs these days leading the western world in fatal shootings and most of which are black. But the biggest killers of Afro
        Americans is other Afro Americans. A statistic BLM seems to either ignore or accept

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    • Roland Deshain -  September 7, 2016 - 5:08 pm

      It was actually talking about the British and Slaves! Do some research. The British basically told black slaves that IF they volunteer to fight for with them against America. If they win the war the British would give them their freedom. So, who in the hell would want to be a patriotic slave?! Many joined the British. But when the British lost here’s where this verse applied to the BLACK slaves that were killed in the battle…

      And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
      That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
      A home and a country should leave us no more?
      Their blood has wash’d out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
      No refuge could save the hireling and slave
      From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
      And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
      O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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      • Rick -  September 11, 2016 - 4:27 am

        He was talking not about slaves, but about black mercenaries they had basically hired by the promise of freedom. That was their payment for fighting against the Americans. Keys was basically saying, tough, you fought againstus, got your kicked, died, We will feel no sympathy for you give you no quarter in battle. The British were slave traders, period, often transporting slaves from Africa and the new world. And that history is over, remember the 13th amendment? Brown vs BOE in 1954? Johnson’s CRA of 1964. The original poem is long gone, along with all interceptions of it. You should do some research of your own, try reading the 13th amendment, the Brown vs BOE ruling, the CRA. Slavery was dark period in American history, many died to free the slaves, including a president. Everyone has an equal opportunity in this country, it is your decision to make the best of it. I certainly did, I immigrated here because the flag and national anthem represents “all men created free and equal”. I never have felt so welcomed than the day I became a US citizen. If you feel oppressed do what I did, leave the country of my birth. For all that ails this country, it is still the greatest country on the planet.

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        • Douglas -  September 12, 2016 - 1:00 pm

          Nicely stated and warmly felt!!!

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        • Gill Muse Jr -  September 12, 2016 - 2:20 pm

          Sir, you are misinformed. There were only one group of slaves in the Americas during this time period and to suggest anything opposite shows your understanding of history period. There is racial discrimination and all the other ills from the past existing today from long ago. Freedom was promised to the runaway slaves who fought for the British but they also recieved pay. Their freedom would only come at the end of the war and only if the British won. Do not come to MY country where I was born and discredit my people struggle. You DO NOT know our history better than we do although popular perception gives you the ordasity to. I could easily say you did not have what it took to be a success in your native land so you came here for immigrant simpathy. Life is greater than your own knowledge. If you want to do something good go back where you are from and jion in the fight for your oppressed people freedom dont come here and enjoy the freedom that my forefathers have earned for me and my people and then judge us while we are standing in our land not running dying in our own land not running and trying to make this place better for our children. If I ran away from my country to a country that was better than my own I hope I would not get there and talk down on the oppressed of the new land I just ran to.

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        • Ken -  September 13, 2016 - 7:29 am

          Only a privileged person can say something like this. Please tell me your race?

          We all have the same opportunity? How is that possible when the majority of people of color in the US dont start off on the same playing field.

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          • Honest Man -  September 14, 2016 - 10:17 pm

            Only in their minds do they not start at the same place- otherwise none would be successful- and there are plenty who do succeed as they see themsleves as citizens of equal stature,not victims

          • Ke'ane Hoxie -  September 19, 2016 - 3:22 pm

            Well if you grow up knowing 2+2=5 and someone tries to show you 2+2=4 you arent really going to be able to adjust well

        • Jay Baldwin -  September 13, 2016 - 2:24 pm

          I dislike the fact that I was ever born into a corrupt place like America. We are not the GREATEST country we are a corrupt wicked people that deserves to go down in flames. The bs that we have done to other nations is ridiculous. The power that America has was obtained unfairly. Period.

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          • Honest Man -  September 14, 2016 - 10:18 pm

            Then leave for god’s sake if you hate it so much

        • Douglas -  September 14, 2016 - 4:15 am

          Well said and true. Actually we lost close to 300,000 men, some brothers on opposing sides, in the Civil (?) War. Most of those killed were white while fighting to “free the slaves”.No confederate flags in this household!!!

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      • Robert Matthews -  September 12, 2016 - 3:10 pm

        All slaves are the same it tells you in the bible. They mentioned slaves they come from the same place Jacob! So they were foul for the cover up. That should let us know how this country feels about us HEBREW PEOPLE!

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    • Victor F -  September 7, 2016 - 6:24 pm

      I am 27 years old and until today I didn’t even know there was more than one verse. Talk about a “third verse” of the Star Spangled Banner was on the news. I’m a political science major for god’s sake.

      I went to public school. Go figure.

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    • Missyf -  September 7, 2016 - 7:15 pm

      Wrong. It is referring to black slaves. The slaves who left the confederate flag to fight for the British in return for their freedom.

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      • Julie D -  September 9, 2016 - 6:49 am

        The song was written in 1814, which was long before the establishment of the Confederacy.

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        • Jz -  September 9, 2016 - 12:32 pm

          Thank you Julie D for bringing that information about the time period to light. I feel people are getting the ‘wars’ mixed up. Where is it written that ‘slaves’ fought with the British at Fort McHenry during the War of 1812? The War of 1812 was fought years after the American Revolution was won.

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          • Denise -  September 14, 2016 - 3:47 pm

            The one thing that can’t be denied is that slavery existed when this was written. There was no land of the free for Black people.

        • Niki -  September 9, 2016 - 8:03 pm

          Julie D: Thank you so much for making your comment. I was getting ready to.

          I would like to add that the US Flag (as creates during the Revolutionary War) flew over slavery for almost 100 years before the 13th Amendment was ratified in December, 1865. Nobody seems to care about that.

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        • Laura Taylor -  September 11, 2016 - 11:56 am

          What’s your point? You don’t seriously believe that slavery was only an issue when the southern states seceded from the union in 1860. Slavery was an issue before, during and after the Revolutionary War. And the British frequently conscripted run away slaves with the promise of freedom after they had won the war. Many fought for the British.

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      • Inner Tard -  September 9, 2016 - 5:55 pm

        Confederate flag? Wow, now that’s some historical inaccuracy for you. Don’t worry I am sure you will amaze everyone with your knowledge on Thomas Jefferson’s Emancipation Proclamation that was signed by all 50 states in 1776.

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      • TAT -  September 10, 2016 - 3:35 am

        This song was written during the war of 1812 which is a good 50 years before the establishment of the confederacy.

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      • DebiB -  September 11, 2016 - 7:37 am

        This song was written during the Revolutionary War has nothing to do with the Civil War read a history book

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        • Kai -  September 12, 2016 - 7:28 pm

          Do you /really/ believe there wasn’t slavery during the Revolutionary War? It’s been around for a very, very long time! Did you even attend high school, or learn anything in American history? Or was your text book edited to not include what actually happened?

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          • Scott J -  September 16, 2016 - 11:56 am

            Slavery dates back to the early 1400′s but scholars target the start of the north atlantic/British north american slave trade around 1619. That being said the majority of the slaves in the African trade routes were sent to Sout America and the Caribbean. Nearly 90% in fact.

            So there were slaves during the revolutionary period, the war of 1812 when the song was written and continuing until the end of the civil war. I use the phrase loosely because post the civil war indentured servitude existed for Irish Italians Chinese Hispanics and Ethnic blacks. So did slavery really end? Hard to say.

            I just wanted to add some facts about the practice and the dates in question.

        • JMc -  September 14, 2016 - 9:36 am

          DebiB – just a gentle correction. Key wrote this during what is commonly called “the war of 1812″ which lasted from 1812-1815 and was actually the US against Great Britain – it stemmed around the French war with Great Britain some 20-25 years after the end of the Revolution of the US. The biggest losers in all of it were our own Native American Indians.

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      • Turtle -  September 11, 2016 - 7:39 am

        Say what? The Confederacy didn’t even exist when this was written. As a matter of fact the song is referring to a time in our history when NONE of the states existed as states. They were all colonies of Great Briton.

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        • Ken -  September 13, 2016 - 7:36 am

          WHO HAD SLAVES!!!!

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      • Fred -  September 12, 2016 - 6:38 pm

        Lol, their was no confederacy or confederate flag in 1812. Can’t believe how stupid some of these comments are.

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      • JS -  September 12, 2016 - 7:28 pm

        The confederate flag wasn’t until this civil war. The flag was called the “Star Spangled Banner”……hint, the name of the song. 15 stars, 15 stripes

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      • William -  September 13, 2016 - 2:07 am

        “Left the Confederate flag to fight for the British” you should not tell someone they are wrong about anything when you are mixing wars that were separated by 100 years.

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      • Luther -  September 13, 2016 - 5:52 am

        Haha! The confederate flag wasn’t even around then, study harder next time

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      • Douglas -  September 14, 2016 - 4:22 am

        You went to a Public school too, didn’t you?

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    • Chris -  September 7, 2016 - 7:48 pm

      It refers to the Colonial Marines, blacks who fought with the British in exchange for their freedom. Key was a bigot and “owned” black humans that worked on his families plantations.

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      • Tanya -  September 9, 2016 - 8:23 pm

        Blacks were IN the revolutionary army and fought with the Americans against the British. These blacks in Boston and so were free people, NOT slaves.

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        • Ken -  September 13, 2016 - 7:38 am

          You sound silly, it literally says “SLAVE” in the song!! Plus, why would a free black person fight for his freedom when he is already free you???

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    • great -  September 7, 2016 - 8:59 pm

      great summery -tyvm

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    • Brett Cockrell -  September 8, 2016 - 2:47 am

      It’s oppressed people that it’s speaking of and that’s what makes it disgusting period

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    • lola ray -  September 8, 2016 - 12:29 pm

      Actually it is referring to slaves who were promised freedom to fight for the British….

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    • Jr -  September 8, 2016 - 9:03 pm

      The reason why Jews are successful after all the horrible things that have happened to them and African Americans are still in poverty is a different view on life. See the Jews dont have a poor me mentality, they just go out and work hard, and make it happen. That’s the beauty of a free country. I am a white male and for the record I didn’t get any money from my parents, my ancestors are from the south and happened to be as poor as most of your ancestors were when the civil war was over. What’s the difference? Do I have a special advantage? You might say I do but in truth I actually don’t. I just go out and bust my butt and work 60+hrs a week so support a bunch of lazy selfish bums white ppl included. Who have no self respect. For crying out loud get out and go WORK!!!!!! If you want a better life you got to work, the government can never give you enough to make you rich. You Gota do it yourself. Hell if you wana trade with me I’ll do it. Try my life for a yr. you’ll see how easy y’all have it!

      Kind regards:
      A ticked young guy who pays your bills.

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      • Cheryl -  September 9, 2016 - 10:25 am

        The only Real Americans are the Native Americans who were murdered and driven from their land. The Europeans came here in search of religious and political freedom. In order for this country to be formed and to become what it has become today the Native Americans were slaughtered and driven from their land. Christopher Columbus did not discover America nor did the pilgrims. They invaded North America and brought their diseases and their slaves and their way of life here. Why people until you are treated as though you are useless and worthless keep your mouth shut you don’t know anything about you. I’m black but I’m an American too. You can’t make me leave and I don’t give a damn where you go. Your people came to this country willingly my people were brought here in Chains underneath and its cargo on a ship. The Native Americans welcome the pilgrims and for their kindness they were given disease and they will make it to leave their native land and follow that Infamous Trail of Tears. One thing about America is it is a free country because those rights that are in that Constitution or available to all. It says no where in the Constitution that we have to stand up for that national anthem.

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        • April -  September 12, 2016 - 4:06 pm

          American Indians were tribes warring among themselves. Some were quite violent. Many Europeans did also attempt to befriend Indians and we’re slaughtered by them. Not all Europeans are evil bigots. Not every black person was enslaved and they certainly aren’t now.

          Honestly, can we focus on the wonderful things we have in common? We are a nation full of diversity that many of us chose to celebrate.

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          • Denise -  September 14, 2016 - 4:12 pm

            Oh so now we are so stupid that we don’t know what the word slave means. Read a dictionary you do know what that is don’t you?

        • GB -  September 13, 2016 - 8:01 am

          Very well said….

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      • Cunningham -  September 9, 2016 - 11:01 am

        I agree. laziness, rather you’re black or white, are hurting a lot of poor communities. It’s hard to realize, but if you really think about it.. a poor black man and poor white aren’t on even playing field. A poor black man will not get the same opportunities a poor white man would get. A lot of them would love to work 60+ hours a week but numerous reasons they don’t receive the privilege. You obviously preconceived notions towards black ppl. Imagine if you owned a business and poor blks and whites applied for a job there, equally qualified. You would most likely choose the white man because he reminds you more of yourself and you view black ppl as lazy.

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      • Facime -  September 9, 2016 - 11:34 am

        You are a perfect example of someone who doesn’t even understand your own white privilege. Privilege isn’t about class or money or family or where you started. You’re white, you have advantages, due solely to your skin color, that PoC do not have. Unless you have been the victim of discrimination, you wont ever know what its like and therefore have no real understanding for what PoC go through on a daily basis in this country.

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        • April -  September 12, 2016 - 4:10 pm

          I am a white person who is discriminated against every day by people with your attitude that only see my color. I hope you will judge people by the content of their character instead. That is how I judge you.

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          • Denise -  September 14, 2016 - 3:55 pm

            Really? Give us just one example of your white discrimination. It is insulting for you to say such a thing.

          • Scott J -  September 16, 2016 - 12:09 pm

            Denise did you know that it was legal to hang italian americans in the south until the late 1920′s? That newspapers in the south were quoted as saying the only thing worse than “negros” are italians? have you noticed the systematic persecution of people of the Jewish religion for 1000′s of years?

            Last i checked they are not PoC? Nut i am of italian american heritage so maybe my family got it wrong. They really didn’t have to live in that one section of town.

            The only truism i see here is that people are inherently unkind to other people dating back to the Egyptians who started the practice BCE. The “Europeans” only expanded upon the practice.

        • William -  September 13, 2016 - 2:16 am

          Let’s get real technical since everyone wants to attack the “white guy” have you not heard of affirmative action? Have you not noticed the forms filled out to gain employment? Companies are actually encouraged to hire minorities for special tax breaks, so actually the minority has the advantage when seeking employment. Let’s not forget that every state has programs available so that minorities can receive higher education at reduced and even no cost. So who really has the advantage and privilege?

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          • Denise -  September 14, 2016 - 3:52 pm

            And isn’t it a shame that in this “great country” laws have to be made to give Black people an fair opportunity. Have you forgotten we were set “free” with nothing no one would hire us hell we couldn’t even vote in till 1965.That is in my lifetime. God you people are so hateful

      • Rich A. -  September 9, 2016 - 4:24 pm

        spoken as a true JR…… Somewhere along the line you forget to account for the inherent privilege your southern white skin affords you JR….

        I understand your frustration with those who spend their energies and intellect in seeking ways to dupe our system, but to suggest it’s attributed to any one race is as racist as anyone suggesting, “ALL white people are racist, or ALL cops desire to abuse and/or oppress people of color”.

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      • Shirley M. -  September 10, 2016 - 6:24 am

        Even though you say you had it bad because you were poor too.You were not a ‘slave’. Your culture, language and way of life was not stripped from, actually whipped out of you. Empowered Whites forced human Africans, packed like caged animals into boats to be used as slaves to do their economic bidding for their self-grandiose.
        Your ancestors were most likely a product of the poor white European population that were allowed to immigrate in order to balance off the white race since the nation was so populated with Black slaves and the empowered Whites feared the imbalance would cause an insurrection of some sort. Yes you were poor. But all you had to do was clean yourself up and you would get a chance to elevate yourself because you were still white, considered a step up from a black man.
        The Black man could work hard,clean himself up, get educated and still be looked down upon by the empowered Whites and the poor/like whites as you say you were. That is what you as a young man does not understand. The enslavement mentality is still embedded in many blacks. Empowered Whites have always found a way to control the Black man and beat them down to nothingness through laws preventing their movement, their livelihood, their religion and using harsh repercussions.
        This is what the government did after Slavery was abolished. They took control. It was just a transfer of the “Master” mind.
        So your history classes only told what they wanted you to know to glorify ‘the land of the free and the home of the brave.’and to also continue the disdain for Black people, the underclass citizens.
        If you would expand your knowledge and do some research you would be open to the vast inequities and treatments given to the Black man, people of color ( first, the Native Americans), regarding voting rights, education and other progressing amenities.
        Now in these years of the 2000s many Black people (and those considered to be Black because of the government ‘s one-drop rule), and the brown population are somewhat refusing to stand for the mistreatment and this is causing fear in the White world.
        We are strong and enduring people and have become awakened from what you call laziness but I refer to as the slave-mentality.

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        • JS -  September 12, 2016 - 7:38 pm

          Curious about the current opportunities comment. What is your education level and what did you study? Education has elevated all parts of society when applied in my lifetime. 34 years. Can’t speak for older generations. Because I wasn’t there. Much like none of us were there in 1814.

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        • Shandra -  September 17, 2016 - 10:33 pm

          Girlfriend, check your history. It was actually other blacks that captured and brought us to the ship.I’m serious.

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      • Tracey -  September 10, 2016 - 9:29 am

        You do realize that you have not walked in anyone’s footsteps accept your own and until you do don’t ever stereotype a group of people. No one wants to be disadvantaged, but if you as you are we’re to darken your complexion and tried to live the same life you so eloquently describe you would not be where you are today. Just think about it, the ONLY difference is the color of our skin. Just think!! All in love “Black Lives DO Matter”. The only difference is the color of our skin. THINK

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      • C. Leo -  September 10, 2016 - 12:52 pm

        Jr., you don’t pay my bills. More white people are on welfare than people of color. You don’t even recognize the white privilege you receive just because you are a white man. I work every darn day of my life, just like the majority of people of color and white people do. I wonder how many people of color you actually know. I don’t mean to say hi to, but actually “know.” I’m betting not a lot. I don’t have a poor me mentality, but I am going to fight like heck when a foot is on my neck. I work hard every day but stand the chance of being killed by a police officer just because of the color of my skin. It doesn’t matter that I graduated from a top university and have a law degree under my belt. The color of my skin trumps all. Wake up, do some real research, do some real reading. And do some reading about capitalism too which requires that a perpetual underclass exists to support it. Then come talk to me about about “A ticked off young guy who pays your bills.” Really?

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      • Mr. Hill -  September 10, 2016 - 7:04 pm

        I hear what you’re saying Jr. But i have 2 full time jobs and work 90hrs a week. Just this week at 1 of my jobs were i happen to be the only blk male. 4 different people behind my back blame me for either misplacing or taking a company gas card. A couple days later when another employee return to work turns out it was in his locker. This is just a small sample size of my everyday life. I’ve learned to live with it, and i understand im a second class citizen here. Most people would just tell me im lucky to be here. My main argument is if I j walk don’t slam me down on the ground and cuff me, but if Timmy J walk just give him a warning. And let’s just be real Jewish people hide behind a skin color all the time. Some of them even change there name to sound more American. The fact of the matter is when you see me coming you know I’m black right away and it’s nothing that I can ever do about that. Me and you could both be from the same exact neighborhood, but it would be silly of you to not admit that if we went in for the same exact job, just on appearance alone you already have the upper hand.

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      • A. Sims -  September 11, 2016 - 3:15 am

        So you think the senseless killings, Jim Crow, burning of churches/communities, unlawful arrests, and other social injustices are because Black people do not work?

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        • William -  September 13, 2016 - 2:23 am

          What do you have to say about the fact that “white slavery” existed long before black slavery and lasted for a far greater period of time? What does that mean for the “white people “?

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          • Denise -  September 14, 2016 - 3:59 pm

            What are you talking about we are still enslaved!!! How do you live with all the hate?

      • Stephanie -  September 11, 2016 - 7:50 am

        Typical response from someone who has never lived a day in Black skin. I did work hard. Twice as hard! Because it was harder for me to get through college and grad school with the blatent racism being thrown at me. Harder to be treated even half as well and respected even 1/4 as much as my White male colleagues! Keep living in your safe bubble believing all it takes is hard work! Come switch with me for a day and work in a field that is only 2% Black and watch how you are treated! Watch your kids be judged for the color of their skin despite their education and proper speech! Stop assuming you understand something that you will NEVER have to experience.
        Sincerely,
        The Hard-working Black chick who pays her own damn bills!

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      • Stormie -  September 11, 2016 - 8:54 am

        Just so you know I’m a had working black female, and don’t depend on the government. What about all the white people, especially in the south, who depend on the government. Tthis is not a black thing, there are more white people depending on the government than black people, especially rich corporate America with a the tax cut on the back of middle class and poor people, let’s talk about that. Don’t know what part of the world you live in but I know plenty of hard working black people, just so you know the Jewish people receive reparations. They where never held as slaves in this country, they could pass for being white base on the color of there skin and they where never laws pass to prevent Jews from living in certain communities and to add to that, white people refuse to admit white privilege exist the same way they think racism don’t exist. Get out of your unrealistic world and start looking at the real world.

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      • Slim -  September 11, 2016 - 9:53 am

        Not all African Americans are in poverty. I work, nor did I grow up poor. And you know what, neither did my parents whose parents worked and took care of my parents and their siblings.

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      • Norma -  September 11, 2016 - 3:56 pm

        Wonderful comment. Thank you .

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      • Shaun S. -  September 11, 2016 - 8:08 pm

        …and that would be negative. For one Judaism is a religion, not a race; therefore, Jews do not face the blatant plight that African American’s do in this country because their religion is not written across their forehead. I can’t tell most Jews from the average white American, so discrimination is “harder to come by.” When I walk in a room everyone knows I’m black (even though I’m mixed as most of us are), but that doesn’t stop someone from thinking I’m less than. No matter how hard black people work (sometimes, often times), it’s not good enough. They have to be 20 times better to make it 2 times as far. This is not a “woe is me” attitude. It’s a reality that you fortunately don’t have to live with it.

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      • Jasob -  September 12, 2016 - 12:50 pm

        Smh

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      • Shawn -  September 12, 2016 - 7:04 pm

        You do realize you’re a racist ? When you put all blacks in a category of being poor you’re a racist .What’s lower then a person that dislike someone solely on the color of their skin ? Why write this hatful stuff helping to divide us as a nation ? Now the reason for my message was to inform you of facts . Whites are the leading race for public assistance .Yes that means welfare . So I hope you feel alittle better knowing you’re supporting your own people .

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        • Bill -  September 19, 2016 - 11:18 pm

          That is such a generic statement when talking about white people being on more public assistance than black people. There are more white people, 77% of the total population, so that only makes sense. But if you really break it down with a few simple google searches, the US Census website, and a calculator, you would find some amazing results, not just ambiguous statements made by the media.

          There are about 47,000,000 million people on food stamps with 40.2% being white which translates to about 18.9 million of the 247,492,491 white people in America, or about 7% of white people. On the other hand, 25.7% of food stamp recipients are black, or about 12 million of the 42.7 million blacks, so about 28% of all black people. So, black people are about 13% of the US population, yet they account for 25.7% of recipients.

          I am guessing if you had the numbers for Section 8 and other assistance you would find similar numbers. All blacks are not poor but there are a high number living below the poverty line for a variety of reasons. That’s not being racist, it’s just statistics. It is unfortunate. White people also get arrested more in raw numbers but at a lower rate (70%) than the percent of the population they make up (77%), while blacks make up about 30% of all arrests (pretty consistent for the past 30 years), while being 13% of the population. This is for variety of reasons, of which I am sure people have their opinions.

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      • dindu nuffin -  September 13, 2016 - 6:58 am

        To all:
        I strongly believe in diversity. Every aspect of life should mirror demographics. We definitely need more diversity in the NFL and NBA.

        Especially in this “snowflake” generation, how can you suggest that two people could be exactly alike other than melanin? Its not just about a degree. Little things like eye contact, a handshake, posture, etc can all sway an opinion.

        Slavery was prevalent in all corners of the world. Whites are the ones whom put an end to it. Arabs treated their black slaves way worse than whites. They’d castrate the men. The word slave comes from slav, as in slavakian.

        Normal white people are ashamed of that period, but cannot feel guilty for something they didn’t personally do. Normal white people use introspection to quash any trace of prejudice, at the same time some blacks are openly showing hatred for whites. Equality or revenge? The way things are going, the next generation of American children will be more divided that at any point in our history. Apparently that is the intended outcome.

        Everbody just needs to focus on themselves, their kids, their spouse, their church, and their future. We do have equal opportunities, but never will there be equal outcomes.

        Love thy neighbor.
        Pride not prejudice.
        Work work work work work.

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      • Ken -  September 13, 2016 - 7:41 am

        Okay, 4 years of holocaust is compared to 200 years of slavery?? What about after and Jim Crow, still the same?

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      • Dina -  September 13, 2016 - 11:33 pm

        LOL

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    • Jennifer -  September 9, 2016 - 9:32 am

      Exactly!! Finally someone with intelligence who can read, understand, and decipher literature. It’s really not that difficult. The issue is that some want to find an issue sof badly they make one up!

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      • King AW -  September 9, 2016 - 1:15 pm

        Can’t expect you to understand something you can’t relate too.

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      • Nate -  September 10, 2016 - 1:17 pm

        This for Jennifer and a ticked young guy who pays his bills. The difference between the Jew and other immigrants to this country and the Africans is the Africans were kidnapped and brought here by force.

        No one said to the Jews that received over 200 million dollars from Germany to rebuild communities, after the holocaust. No one said anything to Japan about being whiners or lazy when America gave them money because of Hiroshima. And Native Americans don’t pay for taxes or higher education. The ticked off young man says why don’t we just get a job and work. Would you please take an objective look at comparative studies done between a white man looking for a job and a black man more qualified looking for that same job? when you do tell us what you found out please? you too Jenny.

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        • Scott J -  September 16, 2016 - 2:58 pm

          Nate,

          I think History would show that African merchants obtained prisoners of war from the warring tribes in West and West Central Africa. Then bartered them to Europeans and eventually Americans. So let’s stick the facts there were no invasion forces going into West Africa and kidnapping people. The African people sold African prisoners of war to African merchant who sold them to Europeans and North Americans. The majority of the African slave trade over 80% was from Africa to the Caribbean and South America. So looking at that I would say we are all to blame. Now let’s stop being like grade school children and saying he did she did well they did and own it. We all were guilty in this. Good now let’s talk about how to fix this. I think someone hit on this …it’s less about race and way more about economics. There is a reason why the middle class in america is disappearing and more more people of the all colors races religions are pushed closer and closer to poverty. The establishment needs poor down trodden economic slaves to keep the machine going.

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    • Norm Markowitz -  September 9, 2016 - 1:16 pm

      Valerie, you are wrong about this. The Hessians fought with the British in The Revolutionary War, but not in the War of 1812, when the Star Spangled Banner was written.

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    • Mr Mac -  September 9, 2016 - 5:48 pm

      I have to disagree with your sunrise. He was a slave owner and hated seeing slaves leave to fight for the British. Hirelings would be mercenaries today and we all know what slaves were….

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    • Duh -  September 9, 2016 - 11:32 pm

      Pretty sure the Hessian mercenaries would be the “hireling” part….now what about the “slave” part?

      Great job do conveniently ignoring a significant group that the British army was made up of.

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    • Taisjon -  September 10, 2016 - 7:31 am

      Actually he was talking about black slaves. The British promised slaves freedom if they would fight for them. That is what he (writer)is referring to

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    • Daniel -  September 10, 2016 - 8:39 am

      I beg to differ. The third stanza is aimed directly at the slaves whom were offered amnesty by the British -Away from the tyranny of Whites-….I would explain more in depth..but historical and current events both would back my argument, so to debate is pointless…

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    • Gene -  September 10, 2016 - 10:07 am

      The British promised freedom and the Whites in America promised the blacks that fought with them more slavery now I get it

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    • Mary ann doerzbacher -  September 10, 2016 - 12:07 pm

      Thank you for explaining and clarifying that verse and its reference to “slaves.” I took it as the black slavery issue.Your explanation was eye opening.

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    • Diane -  September 10, 2016 - 5:33 pm

      So what I think you’re saying is that the blacks really don’t have any reason to be balking the National Anthem?

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    • Mr. Hill -  September 10, 2016 - 6:30 pm

      Even if what your saying is true. Its still does not negate the fact he was a slave owner, A black slave owner. He also was a lawyer that represented other slave masters who were seeking to get back there property ( BLACK SLAVES ). I’m sure Francis was just a product of his environment at the time, and he figured everybody else have slaves why not me. Michael Vick is a rehabilitated man, and I’m a 1000% sure if he wrote a song right now in the honor of dogs no one would be standing up repeating it. In fact we still live in a Nation were more then 50% of the population believe that a dog life is more valuable then a blk life. Unfortunately if racism ever change no one alive on this planet right now will ever witness it. The most ignorant thing ever in the history of the world. Is to dislike a person purely based on the fact of the color of their skin

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    • Don Wilmer -  September 11, 2016 - 9:13 am

      I thought the “Hessians” were used
      by the British during the REVOLUTIONARY
      war, NOT the War of 1812. Where is there an authoritative source to confirm your
      assertions? Also, in 1812 the USA was
      a country in which slavery was legal everywhere, and practiced/employed everywhere. Key would NOT in those circumstances have risked misunderstanding or confusion among his readership by selecting a word—”slave”— which in the USA at that time had but a SINGLE, NARROWLY-DEFINED MEANING (i.e.–any African person purchased or otherwise taken possession of by any white Anglo-Saxon Protestant male citizen of the USA, for the purpose of using that African to perform forced labor to benefit the African’s white owner). The Key poem could NOT have been intended to refer to “hirelings” of German nationality, or to “indentured servants” of European heritage, or to British soldiers of the White race.

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    • History Major -  September 11, 2016 - 10:01 am

      Well.. everyone has a very valid point. BUT I have to call it exactly what it is. There are no grey areas when it comes to facts. The star bangled banner was written as another Yankee way of discrimination. Period. Slaves did whatever they had to do to buy there freedom, even if it was joinin the British army. In 35yrs I have not read one book that said “slaves had a field of hicks working their fields”. Sorry. Just haven’t. The star spangled banner is demeaning just as “your confederate flag is. It’s funny how it’s so much havoc concerning the removal of the Confederate flag but there is silence when you see a kkk in a police uniform wrongfully killing “blacks” in a traffic stop or just “accidentally” being hung in jail. SPEAK UP NOW. I GUESS IT DOESN’T MATTER WHEN IT OUR LOVED ONES. Watch out America. History repeats itself. A new generation of racism but the same degree of ignorance and killing.

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    • Drew -  September 11, 2016 - 1:17 pm

      The third verse absolutely refers to black slaves. Specifically it refers to the Corps of Colonial Marines which was made up of escaped American slaves who enlisted with the British navy for the promise of being granted their freedom. No reputable historian believes it could possibly mean anything else especially given the context that Key was a slave owner and believed blacks were “a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community.”

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    • smitty -  September 11, 2016 - 5:16 pm

      So why was that part of it removed ?

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    • Marine -  September 11, 2016 - 9:51 pm

      Yes it does, its directly specific. Black american slaves joined the British to fight for their freedom. Do more research.

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    • Denise -  September 12, 2016 - 2:36 pm

      The British were not slaves they hired american slaves in exchange for their freedom

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    • Eliza -  September 12, 2016 - 4:18 pm

      Do you Not Remember 1200 or more Slaves
      Fought during that period. Do you really understand!

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    • Charles Castleman -  September 12, 2016 - 6:55 pm

      The Hessians were no one’s slaves…Presumably in the verse “hirelings” refers to the Hessians “slaves” to the slaves

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    • Kathy -  September 12, 2016 - 7:15 pm

      Lol. Good try but, no.
      It is about the slavery and the escaped slaves that fought with the British army.
      You ignorance is astounding. You probably think the Confederate flag isn’t a symbol of slavery, too.

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    • Rhonda -  September 12, 2016 - 11:51 pm

      Ok….simple question…
      Were Blacks “Freemen” when this song was written in 1814? With all due respect, open your eyes! The reason these verses were omitted was due to the controversial nature of the language. The AUTHOR of this song OWNED slaves. Clearly, he was not referring to “slaves” as “Freemen.”

      Would you like to take this time to recant your statement?

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    • Antoine -  September 13, 2016 - 1:27 am

      You do realize Francis Scott Key was a slave owner correct?

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    • Pat Gallagher -  September 13, 2016 - 10:07 am

      It was well known that Francis Scott Key was upset with the slaves who he considered to be traitors because they sided with the British in exchange for their freedom.

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    • Q -  September 13, 2016 - 4:11 pm

      You are wrong! The slaves it is referring to are the black slaves who ran away and were promised their freedom if they fought for the British. You have to understand the history of what you are reading and not just read.

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    • William Satterfield -  September 13, 2016 - 7:12 pm

      Makes good sense on your point

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    • Tony Ricardo -  September 14, 2016 - 2:06 am

      You are correct except that the it was largely made up of the BRITISH armies and navy, not Hessian mercenaries, the mercenaries and slaves who were helping the British were in the minority. The main culprits were the BRITISH.

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    • Valerie Rose Carey -  September 14, 2016 - 2:10 am

      To: Valerie Rose Carey

      You are correct except that the it was largely made up of the BRITISH armies and navy, not Hessian mercenaries, the mercenaries and slaves who were helping the British were in the minority. The main culprits were the BRITISH

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    • Earnest -  September 14, 2016 - 3:15 am

      My question to you, you said it wasn’t written about the slave, were black free? “The land of the free and the home of the brave” that is not about black people Sir.

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    • Chris -  September 14, 2016 - 5:34 pm

      The third verse of the national anthem might not be talking about slavery in America, but it was referring to slavery in Britain. Slavery was prevalent all over during those times. In fact in the 18th century Britain had more Black slaves then America did. Your point is that because the song wasn’t talking about slavery in America that African-Americans should use the song as a means to protest. I’m a 100% white American and I disagree with that. Slavery is slavery whether it’s in America or Britain or anywhere else in the world. However, regardless of the songs intent directed towards British slaves and not American. The author of the national anthem song was a slave owner and hated black people to his very core. Did ya know that?

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  8. King AW -  September 3, 2016 - 11:32 am

    Attn White people
    How are you so upset when someone doesn’t honor the flag, but do not say a word about all the injustice that going on all over this “great” country? How do you tell someone to leave this country that was built on slave labor? How do you read and watch the same things We do but come up with an entirely different scenario ? How can you say Scott key was a slave owner but if you do your research he helped slaves? He beat me everyday, raped my wife, and made us work 14 hours of free labor BUT he did give us food and bandages for our backs. Anyway the comments in here are getting out of hand, but I could care less about trying to dissect the true meaning of the star spangled banner song. How can you be so outraged about a song but quiet as a mouse on today’s real issues? How come you can see big foot but can’t see racism?

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    • Scott -  September 7, 2016 - 7:55 am

      White people have been slaves also.

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      • Tarif -  September 7, 2016 - 11:41 am

        Where ? All racessation have been slaves at one point but none were stolen from their families, beaten, raped, and subject to dehumanizing treatment. We were held captive for 400 years so when again?

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        • Gary -  September 8, 2016 - 10:11 am

          The Irish would disagree with you.

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          • Bunny Wailer -  September 11, 2016 - 2:56 pm

            the Irish don’t suffer from the effects of their short-term oppression in this country because they used antiblackness in their favor to be considered white again. What Irish American person today is still being marginalized for being Irish? Please let me know.

        • vikki -  September 8, 2016 - 8:14 pm

          Not for nothing but the Jews were slaves to the pharaoh’s in Egypt and they were the ones that built the pyramids. Moses freed them. By the way I’m Puerto Rican and black and the Jews have suffered more than us. First they were enslaved by the Egyptians and then 6 million killed by Hitler and then mistreated when they first arrived in the US. I respect them because they unlike us help each other not tear each other down. We hate on our own and beat the white people at their own game of keeping us down. We do it to ourselves and are too full of hate to see it. Dr King Malcolm X and others would be ashamed of us if they were alive today. We must do better must be better we cannot demand respect we must earn it

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          • Gen -  September 9, 2016 - 8:27 pm

            The Jews were not the slaves that built the pyramids in Egypt, those were actually black American slaves sold by Africans. Not to say what happened to the Jews was inhumane, but black American people have been through a lot more slavery than you think.

          • JD -  September 11, 2016 - 5:56 pm

            Jews didn’t build the pyramids. The pyramids of Giza (the youngest by the way) were built around 2650 BC. Abraham doesn’t arrive until around 2085 BC and the Israelites who migrated to Egypt (according to the Bible), did so around 1800BC. So it was highly unlikely that they built the pyramids. In fact there is detailed information stating that slave labor is not skillful enough to have built pyramids. Study the upper Nile valley civilization and you’ll see who built the pyramids as well as how and why they were built. And last I checked the Ashkenazi Jews lost roughly 6 million in their Holocaust (detailed study will reveal that most of that figure weren’t actually “Jewish”) Africans lost 60 million and that’s a conservative number. So unless 60 million some how became less than 6 million I’d have disagree with you regarding who suffered more. Sad that a white guy knows more about your history than you.

          • Tony Bunsen -  September 11, 2016 - 7:10 pm

            Egyptian workers built the pyramids. There were no slaves.

          • Shannon -  September 12, 2016 - 9:53 am

            Nicely said!

          • Earnest -  September 14, 2016 - 3:18 am

            The white Jews didn’t build any dam pyramids, read your history.

        • J.B. -  September 9, 2016 - 3:42 am

          Leave this county then. You are not a slave, leave. You are more than welcome to leave and go to any Country you want. Heck, go back and live in Africa if you want!!!

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          • King AW -  September 9, 2016 - 1:22 pm

            Go back to Africa or stand united as a country against police brutality ? Lol I know the answer to that because you can’t relate to police brutality.

          • Deric -  September 11, 2016 - 1:08 am

            I see this comment all the time, “if you don’t like it, leave”, this is the biggest cop out possible.

            If you love something, like your home, for example, you want it to be the best version of itself, you don’t simply turn your back and walk away.

            I’m glad that you’re happy with how the country looks right now, with the bigotry, the hate, the xenophobia, but know that it’s changing. Slowly but surely, people are waking up and realizing that we don’t have to sit back and be satisfied with the old white men in power. We can change what we don’t like, that’s what this country was founded on and that’s what we’ll continue to pursue.

            -a white guy fighting ignorance

          • Don Wilmer -  September 11, 2016 - 9:21 am

            J.B.– Why don’t YOU leave OUR country? Why don’t YOU go back to where YOUR bloodline started ? Go back to England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Germany, France, Poland, Russia, Sweden, Holland, Italy, Hungary, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Papua New Guinea, or wherever your genome came from and leave normal people, citizens of their native or naturalized home country alone?

          • Terry B -  September 11, 2016 - 1:05 pm

            Actually you are not free to leave American. If you leave you still need to fill your tax returns every year, if you earn less than $120,000, then you don’t pay tax but you get a good accountant at $400 because an error on the 33 page document and the IRS will mess you up. If your that upset by the oppression of minorities and want to leave give up your citizenship, that’ll be a payment of $2,800ish to the government. It is not and will never be the land of the free, it will always be the land of the free but at a price.

          • Bunny Wailer -  September 11, 2016 - 2:54 pm

            Cool do you plan on supplying that plane ticket lol? Isn’t this cry of “go back to Africa!!!!!” getting a little old man? be more original :/

          • P.K.S. -  September 11, 2016 - 7:12 pm

            You know if everyone could just take a breath, remember who put us on this earth expecting us to be kind, caring and faithful. Who guided Noah to save us 2 by 2, we would all be much better human beings. Stop this spewing of hate and bigotry , be neighborly again. If we don’t stop all the violence, killing, mean hearted retoric and hatred we will be tested in a way I do not think will at all be pleasant. Please everyone just wake up!!!
            God bless all, we need it

          • Shaun S. -  September 11, 2016 - 8:15 pm

            Such an ignorant comment. Just because people want things to be better doesn’t mean they hate all the good that America has to offer. And sure telling someone to move to another country is a brilliant suggestion because running away from the problem will make it better, right? Voicing a complaint and igniting change isn’t the right way, is it? Please. Maybe if you and everyone like you move to another country the problem will be eliminated. You move!!!

        • Nivek -  September 9, 2016 - 10:34 am

          “We” cause you were there right.

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        • Darlene -  September 9, 2016 - 11:59 am

          Sorry but the blacks are not the only race to suffer. What about the Jewish nation. Because you see the entire nation has been through more then any other race or nation. The have been subjected treatment no other people can understand, for thousands of years. This treatment goes on in all countries, other races are still trying to kill them all. They are a proud people and do not blame others for what has and is happening to them. They work hard and strive to live good lives. Oh and you said we were held captive, were you held captive. Why can’t people get over what happened almost two hundred years ago and work on getting along and making things better. If people would wake and get over ” The world owe me everything” was of thinking we would all be better off. I am not Jewish so I did not write to stand for my race I stand up for all races and nations.

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        • Julie -  September 9, 2016 - 1:30 pm

          The Jews would also disagree with you. They spent 500 years in slavery in Egypt alone; then there was the Babylonian captivity, etc.

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        • Joe -  September 9, 2016 - 4:53 pm

          The Roman Empire did it to all his conquered territories for 500 years. The Carthaginians did it for 425, the Spanish empire did it to the America’s for 400 years, decimating the natives and in some places wiping out the whole people, like my Taino ancestors in Puerto Rico. In the United States, if we use 1619 as the beginning and the 1865 Thirteenth Amendment as its end then it lasted 246 years, not 400. Slavery is a despicable and heinous crime that is still been committed against people all over the world, sadly there seems to be no end in sight.

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        • Jenn -  September 9, 2016 - 7:55 pm

          My Irish ancestors were slaves and were often treated worse than many black slaves. Ijs

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        • Eric -  September 10, 2016 - 12:37 am

          The forced slavery of the Irish go back to the 1500′s. I am speaking of my ancestry. Don’t cry to me about reparations. None of us living are slaves. Everyone is able to make something of themselves if they only have the will and effort to do so. In fact, the way things are now in this country, you have an easier path to success if you are of color. Only if you’re white does that path become more difficult. But, no matter the pigment of your skin … STOP WHINING AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR LIFE!!!

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        • Trav -  September 10, 2016 - 6:59 pm

          You do realize that only around 3-4% of whites during the time of slavery had slaves right? And your whole race was not in slavery you were sold by your own race to us and slavery and drug lords are still in Africa your country of Origin. Im betting you’d still like to somehow blame that on us though right?

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          • USMC Vet -  September 12, 2016 - 8:21 pm

            Bwfore anyone starys bashing know that I am 1000 Cherokee, AKA Native American. This land was Stolen from us.
            Finally, somebody states the fact that BLACKS were enslaved BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE! Prior to that Blacks were enslaved by Muslims Not Whites. White did Not Enslave Blacks. They were sold to few Whites by Uour Own people, most all of which were your Felliw Blacks. The Majority of your slavers were Muslim. Research Islamic History, especially tge Tuekish Ottoman Empire. Also see the Barbary Pirates war.
            If you wanna blame someone for the enslavement of blacks then blame your felliw Black Africans.
            BTW l, the Jews, and Irish American slaves suffered way more than black slaves did.
            And remember I am Native Cherokee, meaning This land is Ours Not Yours.
            Less than 3% of the American south owned slaves

        • Jason -  September 11, 2016 - 9:01 pm

          No blacks were even stolen. They were sold by tribes that conquered other tribes. One tribe in Africa would take over another’s land and resources and they way the would get rid of the people they conquered was to either kill them or sell them to slavery, so id say slaves actually got the better end of the deal. Especially all of the ones who’s descendants ended up in America where they have infinite more opportunity than they would in their home country which more than likely doesn’t even have water treatment or electricity or even public school. Don’t sound so ignorant. Slavery was the way of the world back then. All of the powerful counties took advantage. The only reason Africa didn’t is because they weren’t a world power.

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        • uncle sam -  September 12, 2016 - 2:13 am

          The word slave evolved from the ethnic slavic people. (who were white)

          Slavery predates the written language and can be found in almost all cultures and continents. Slavery can be traced to the earliest records, such as the Code of Hammurabi in Mesopotamia (~1800 BCE.), which refers to slavery as an already established institution.

          In the 16th – 18th century, Africans enslaved 1.5 million White Europeans in the Barbary Slave Trade. African Muslims raided up the coastlines of Europe, particularly the British Isles but even as far as Iceland, kidnapping and enslaving White European Christians. The men were galley slaves, and the women were sex slaves.

          Whites were the first people to stop slavery in modern times

          Less than 2% of Whites in America ever owned slaves

          Only 5% of the black slaves transported across the Atlantic actually went to the modern U.S. Most went to Latin America to serve Hispanic slave-owners. his means there were approximately 625000 African slaves WORKING in the “US” between 1525 and 1866.

          We don’t live in that time anymore and if we want to keep hashing out the past nothing will ever change. we killed almost 220000 people with 2 bombs in Japan and we are friends now.there is something to be said about that.

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        • Shelley -  September 12, 2016 - 9:13 am

          That is actually not true. Irish slaves were less costly and worse treated than African slaves. I’m half Irish and half Portuguese so I may or may not have blood descending from slaves. I work my butt off and I make my living. I do not look back at what may or may not have been. That said, my skin color allows me to blend in to the population much better. Black skinned individuals have it much harder. There are a large number of black individuals with a chip on their shoulder, there are a lot of white individuals that consider themselves superior and there are a large number of black individuals trying and succeeding in living a fruitful life without any aid from the government. Part of the problem is media. Media loves to focus on the negative, so that is what we are fed on a constant basis on anything they can find. Yes, there is a problem in this country, No, it isn’t the anthem, nobody even knows the words of the anthem that are negative towards blacks. The problem is that our country is enabling and sometimes even promoting negative things. It’s easy to say everyone has the same chance when you have a full belly and a good living space. It’s easy to keep that chip, if you are living in poverty and listening to the well heeled talking about how much of a slacker and a criminal you are. Our government should not be supporting anyone without any expectation of furtherance towards personal financial responsibility unless that person is truly, handicapped and cannot work. Children should not be denied lunch because of no money, kids trying to learn while hungry doesn’t work. I don’t believe in hand outs but I do believe in hand ups. If we can teach our people skills and require our corporations to source from inside the country, we will have a more prosperous populace all around. Desperation or greed creates criminals not skin color. The fact is, opportunities for black individuals, especially those of little means are much harder to come by than for white individuals. If we can change that, we may be able to help change their attitude as well.

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      • Cindy -  September 10, 2016 - 1:24 pm

        Scott please read up on the difference between “indentured servants and slavery.” White people were not slaves, they were completely under a business agreement. Slaves were owned as property until death, working on plantations without pay and abused at will without rights as humans!

        Stop reading those fairytale books!

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      • WhateveraaNY -  September 12, 2016 - 12:09 am

        So were the Chinese during the Exclusion Act era after building the railroads. And let’s not leave out all the Japanese who were interred during WWII and had their property stolen by the local and federal government. Who protests? A group of modern-day black people who have never opened let alone owned a history book.

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      • Eliza -  September 12, 2016 - 4:19 pm

        Then you Should Be offended also!!

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      • Ken -  September 13, 2016 - 8:56 am

        Here we go again, white people!!! I just cant, are you guys blind??

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    • Brad -  September 7, 2016 - 11:45 am

      This is a great comment. I’m white and I’m outraged by the disproportionate violence against black people today. All the unarmed black people gunned down by police and vigilantes are also not standing for the national anthem. They can’t because they were killed and treated as if their lives don’t matter. This is the issue. Black lives matter!

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      • Eric -  September 10, 2016 - 12:40 am

        NO SIR!! ALL LIVES MATTER!!!!!

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      • Jeremy -  September 11, 2016 - 9:57 am

        Hey cop here and i have never gunned down black males. Please do proper research before you post untrue facts that are incideairy. All you are accomplishing is dividing a country with lies. I am also a veteran who lost friends who fought for you freedoms. Stand don’t stand don’t care bit but don’t act like you are making some grand gesture your not. God be with you all and i hope and pray we can have real con stations where both sides are heard.

        Ps nobody ever sings the other verses so who cares.

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    • Knowledge -  September 7, 2016 - 6:27 pm

      Look at my name. You need that.

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    • Richard -  September 7, 2016 - 6:46 pm

      When are you finally going to acknowledge that only 1.4% of white people…IN THE SOUTH…actually owned slaves and not all white people? When are you finally going to acknowledge that many of us whites saw the injustice of slavery, shed our blood and gave our lives for you to have your freedom? When are you going to admit that you see racism in every single aspect of every single thing in the entire world and that you’ve become a paranoid fool? When are you going to finally look at the truth of slavery and stop believing the fairy tales of Harriet Beacher Stowe…a woman who’d never been on a slave plantation and whom had never even visited the south in her life time? When are you going to realize that not all of the 1.4% of all white slave owners in the south did not spend their every waking second beating and raping you, that that’s a propaganda spread by anti-slavery groups and taken to the extreme beyond it’s original message and intent? When are you going to admit that racism is a human condition and when are you going to wake up and see that, yes, there are blacks targeting, beating, raping, and killing whites every day? When will you see that despite being only 13% of the population, blacks commit 52% of all murders, and that twice as many unarmed white people have been shot and killed by police?

      There are injustices, and there are unfair and bullshit things happening to blacks…but they are happening to everyone, and you’re not the only victim here. If you finally stand up for me and say “That’s wrong.” maybe then I’ll be happy to stand back up, risk my life and blood, and say “that’s wrong” for you too.

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      • King AW -  September 8, 2016 - 5:45 pm

        Richard I see what you did there.
        During 1860s Slave ownership by whites were :
        48% Mississippi 34% Florida
        46% South Carolina. 28% North Carolina
        37% Georgia 29% Louisiana
        35 % Alabama 28% Texas
        26% Virginia 25% Tenn
        23% Kentucky 20% Arkansas
        13% Missouri 12% Maryland
        3% Delaware

        I’m not a math genius but we all know that dosent equal out to 1.4 percent. What you did was give the percentage of slave owners for the year of 1950 and try to give the perception that was the percentage of white slave owners for the entire time of slavery. so you know I’m not Just pulling numbers out of the air. Easily go to civilwarcauses.org which gives your a census of slaves and owners every year during slavery.
        Which I think you knew because you choose to go with the year with the lowest percentage.

        Slavery fairy tales ????? The fear of being hung, killed, raped , separated from family and forced to work as a young kid is an exaggerated truth??? Slave ownerrs didn’t think to rape and hurt slaves everyday? ” maybe ” they didn’t but their overseers did, their family did, friends and white workers did.

        Another misleading number you put out into the world. Blacks are 13 percent population and commits 52 percent of all murder in the United States. First that dosent even make sense. 52 percent ? lol. If you look on the fbi website blacks are at 17 % and whites are at 26%. Check it out for yourself at ucr.fbi gov.
        No way possible 13 percent can commit over half the murders in United States. if your source of information is Google and trump.com I challenge you to dig deeper. That’s just to counter the misinformation you’re putting out. The real issue is police brutality and according to white people like you that put out misleading facts. It’s ok for police that suppose to protect and serve to kill blacks because blacks do the most killing. So sad that white people so upset about the flag but nothing to say when a 13 year old unarmed kid gets killed in broad day light by a police officer.
        You mention racism is a human condition and blacks target whites and whites target blacks.
        You failed to mention that the guilty party in those groups usually get caught and punished.
        Unless you’re a cop targeting blacks.

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        • Gen -  September 9, 2016 - 8:32 pm

          Thank you!!!

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        • Jodi -  September 10, 2016 - 9:35 am

          King AW…. Very well said!!! Your response to this topic/subject is very knowledgeable and said in a very respectful way! Ppl really need to educate themselves on these discussions before they make themselves look like fools…. Ancestors don’t lie about being slaves, beat, raped , and murdered. Ppl have no compassion. This topic will continue on long after we pass because of the way a lot of white folks want to interpret your history. Ignorance is carried on generation after generation through all races. If we all don’t stop this cycle we will never get anywhere in society. By the way I’m white. All white ppl are not racist and a lot of us do care about what happened to your ancestors. But unfortunately by me saying this watch all racist have something to say! God Bless you and your family….

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        • Jason -  September 11, 2016 - 9:11 pm

          Lol ignorance at its finest. Learn how to understand statistics. You are comparing two totally different stats from him. Percent per state vs. percent as a whole country. Because if your math made sense then whites would have owned 336% of all slaves. Which isn’t really logical there boss. Go back to 10th grade study real hard and try again.

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          • King AW -  September 13, 2016 - 6:31 pm

            Lol I laughed for real at this one.

        • DevilNinja -  September 12, 2016 - 2:50 pm

          You’re incorrect about your homicide rates. I posted a detailed reply including sources but for some reason my comments were deleted, although they contained nothing offensive.

          Anyway, I’ll try this again, short version: using your source, you can find out that blacks, although just 13% of the population, do indeed make up half of all homicides, both as perpetrators and victims. It’s even worse than that though: 90% of all homicides (regardless of race) are committed by males. That means black males, just 6% of the population, commit half of the nation’s homicides (and are half of the victims).

          View any of the expanded homicide tables that reference race and sex on ucr.fbi gov and you will see this. You’re right, it doesn’t make sense, but unfortunately, it’s true.

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        • Brenda -  September 17, 2016 - 10:21 am

          King AW,
          Thank you, thank you, thank you

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      • Msjpugh -  September 9, 2016 - 4:43 am

        So it’s not that you don’t realize it’s wromg…..it’s that you are not willing to risk your life and blood to publicly admit it. I clearly understand your point COWARD

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      • Lisa -  September 9, 2016 - 3:25 pm

        Thank you for such an educated reply.

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      • Sendgjgijink@gmail.com -  September 11, 2016 - 6:41 am

        Mr. Richard, you are right not all whites were slave owners many of them were too poor to own slaves. So because they couldn’t own their own slaves some chose to work on the plantations as overseerers and some even worked as bounty hunters. Now I will say this, even though all whites were not slave owners that does not change the fact that almost all blacks were slaves. Yes, there were some whites who fought for the freedom of blacks. However, after slavery a new salvery began and that is mental slavery the worse kind. Setting up laws to take away a person’s persuit of happiness. Imagine you save and work your whole life to establish a successful business and someone comes and burns it down. That’s what happend to a lot of black businesses. Angry whites who were upset with the progression of a black community burns it down. Remember, when blacks were set free they were given NOTHING. And not to mention a lot of them faced discrimination in the workforce. So you tell me how do a person set up generational wealth for their generations when you are robbed of the opportunities to do so and when you do build something it gets destroyed. You are robbed of your native tongue, religion, customs and you feel out of place in this world. How do you live in a world where lighter skin and straighter hair is viewed better, than darker skin and kinky hair. There are systems put in place for blacks to hate each other, just read the poem by Willie Lynch. To add insult to injury, I would like to know what happens to a people that have sub par schools, drug infested communities (BTW blacks are not the ones shipping that shit in), sub par housing, constant exposure to materialism from the media and generations of the male being ripped from the family. So what happens to people that live like that? I’ll wait????

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    • John G -  September 7, 2016 - 7:10 pm

      This country was not built by slave labor. It was built by hard working, LEGAL, immigrants like my great grandparents and grandparents who migrated from Europe, again I will say LEGALLY !!
      YOU ARE THE RACIST.

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      • Kim -  September 8, 2016 - 11:34 am

        Incorrect… Do some research

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      • King AW -  September 8, 2016 - 5:48 pm

        John G
        I understand your reply was strictly based off emotion without any facts. If you truly believe what you just said pound yourself on top of the head with a hammer 27 times.
        On a serious note in 1870
        60% of the wealthiest people in America were slave owners. Sooooo how was this country not built on slave labor ??
        Did they get a paycheck, Heath insurance, and a 401k?

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        • Hannah Jackson -  September 10, 2016 - 3:43 pm

          Our people were a part of building America, but it wasn’t built on slave alone. It was mostly built by Whites to be perfectly honest. There were non black slaves too, and I think the Chinese built most of the early railroads, so the Liberal Progressive lie that the country and even the White House were built by slaves is garbage. According to our family history and stories past down our slave ancestors were better off here than the were in their homelands and most didn’t want to go back. Most were not whipped and beaten on a regular basis as the Liberal college professors claim. It’s all lies from the Progressives. Don’t you think it odd that we came so far dealing with racism to have it fall apart under Obama, the first Black president. It’s all part of the plain to demand reparations for something none of us were involved in. None of us alive today were slaves or slave owners. And I’m not African-American, I’m a patriotic American that served my country in combat.

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          • King AW -  September 13, 2016 - 6:34 pm

            Lol

      • Ann Lamphier -  September 9, 2016 - 4:39 am

        Um…”legally”? No John G, our country was not built by legal immigrants. It was built by our forefathers who basically wiped out a native people because they ran away from home since they didn’t want to follow the house rules. Through lots and lots of bloodshed and the worst civil war on record that I am aware of, we have come out for the most part on the other side. Please don’t glamorize our history, it’s not so shiny

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      • Nivek -  September 9, 2016 - 10:43 am

        Damn go back to Europe.

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      • Shirley M. -  September 10, 2016 - 7:26 am

        John G., please read about the building of this nation. Slaves were brought over because they were strong, from a heat-bearing country, loyal and hard-working. They were easily distinguished from the poor whites who were used as indentured slaves who were unskilled would run away and be difficult to weed out from among other poor whites. Or the indentured slave would be paid minimally for its tenure and after freed would clean himself up and blend in with other whites.The Black man, although freed was easily seen because of his color.
        Yes the Empowered Whites (the wealthy), only let many, many White Europeans immigrate (LEGALLY) as you say because this nation of whites was outnumbered by black slaves.The immigrants that were allowed to immigrate were from the poor undeveloped countries, countries having famine and not very productive. These poor people were used as unskilled labor. The slave people were used for the hard laborious work, like picking cotton, harvesting rice, growing foods, building famous homes, Universities and raising Master’ children. Some blacks became master artisans like blacksmiths, iron workers, Mason’s and craftsmen.
        The poor whites were used as the oversee-ers of the slaves, giving them an edge over Blacks.
        When the Slaves were freed, many poor whites who were skill-less resented those Blacks that had skilled and made efforts to prevent them from getting gainful work.
        So what exactly did your great-grandfather do that was so greatly commended besides killing off Native Americans and preventing free black people from prospering??

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      • Cam -  September 11, 2016 - 2:49 pm

        Excuse me your family your ancestors weren’t here by invitation either..also African Americans were here forcibly so some of my Ancestors were forced to be here And some of my Ancestors were already here born here then they had there land stolen. And Everyone Was originally from Africa According to the bible Noah was African And so was his son then they left and became the heads of other nations but yes everyone was the same color and Africa is Definitely the mother land.. Even if you don’t believe in God Science can tell you that everyone was originally black but the melotonin changed.

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    • SEAN -  September 8, 2016 - 1:20 pm

      did you just put ALL white people in a category? I read the same things you do, except I don’t categorize a race as you do. You assume all “white” people read your lecture as if we cant see what you see. Racism is alive and well with you, which makes you no better than any other bigot regardless of color. And yes… its pointless to dissect our anthem. Just as its pointless for anyone to read your finger pointing garble. Solutions and understandings of one another is the only way we can move forward. I never owned a slave. I don’t hate any race and I try to understand peoples points as best as I can. But if you wanna put me in a category because I’m white, then how can you be upset by stereotypes…..I cant see bigfoot, but your own racism is way bigger than any bigfoot that may or may not be there.

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      • King AW -  September 9, 2016 - 12:25 pm

        Incorrect Sean.
        I asked a question to all white people.
        Never group you all together nor did I say you all will have the same answer. You’re deflecting from the truth and the facts. acting like I said all white people are same. I asked a series of question and I will ask again more clearly.
        Who are you more mad at Colin kapernick or
        “Officer” Timothy Lorhmann out in cleveland?
        Never group you all together and said you all are the same. Don’t llet the headlines distract you from the truth.

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        • Scott J -  September 16, 2016 - 3:16 pm

          Loehman ..tamir rice no matter how you spin it was murder. Zero extenuating circumstances, no possession of a fire arm illegally, nothing.

          Kap …well I am mad because he changed the focus from what Msts.Paul, Wade, Bryant and James started at the ESPY’s. The focus is and should be about abusive police tactics, abuses by congress et al, why does 6% of the population commit nearly 50% of the murders. We should not be focusing on the flag, or anthems because the 1996 supreme court ruling about decriminalizing flag burning opened up free speech to all sorts idiocy. But Honestly if you going to come and talk about systematic oppression i might be more inclined to listen if you were wearing a Ghandi shirt instead of a Fidel Castro shirt.

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    • Jr -  September 8, 2016 - 9:08 pm

      If it ain’t your flag to your the racist. What you need a special flag? Do you need a separate restroom to? And separate room in restaurants? How bout a special seat on public transportation? Sounds to me like you want segregation! Think before you stick your feet in your mouth!

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      • King AW -  September 9, 2016 - 12:28 pm

        Lol special flag? Segregation ? Clearly you’re reading something different. Which I also stated.
        The flag isn’t the issues. The issues is the reason why people are protesting the flag.
        Which you probably don’t care about.

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    • Micah -  September 8, 2016 - 10:02 pm

      You lost me when you addressed your questions to the entirety of “White people”….maybe try again without the racism?

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      • King AW -  September 9, 2016 - 12:32 pm

        addressing a group of people as they are or need a reason to deflect because the truth hurts? I guess I should have used a negative term instead of white ppl?

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    • Dawn -  September 10, 2016 - 12:18 pm

      This county was not built on slave labor. There is more history to it than that. Please for the love of decency and your future, disconnect yourself from the victim mentality. This great nation has done more to liberate and provide freedom to more people than any other nation ever created. Progressives and the victim class who will only look at the warts of this country and not her accomplishments slay me. If you are so bothered by the injustices of this nation. Why don’t you get out there and save the communities that are suffering under democrat rule in cities like Detroit? Oh yeah, that’s right, your narrative is about how everyone else is at fault. We wouldn’t want the inner city communities taking any responsibility for their situation. Give it a rest and stop voting for politicians that keep people enslaved in the system. It only guarantee’s them more power and a dependable voting block.

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    • Lauren -  September 10, 2016 - 4:46 pm

      There were white slaves as well. Not all white people in the south were plantation owners. There were also blacks who owned slaves as well. The north also used blacks for their help. Those who brought them here and sold slaves were also black.

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    • Diane -  September 10, 2016 - 5:56 pm

      I see it a lot. And don’t understand why people are so racist now days.
      I’m proud to be an American and would love to see everyone treated the same as I am but unfortunately there’s a lot of hate in this country as well as the world as you know.
      The blacks have come a long way since I was a child. I remember when blacks had to sit in the back of the bus and I couldn’t understand why. But some people never left that era. They want only people that are like themselves to have things and anyone who doesn’t look like them to be suppressed. Even some of your so called Christians have hate in their heart for anyone who looks different from themselves. I have been guilty myself of feeling different about other nationalities. But have seen the hurt and pain people deal those who are different than themselves.
      We are all mixed nationalities except the American Indians. And now they too are mixed nationalities. (Some of them could still be true full blooded American Indians).
      I hate to say it but people like Donald Trump really stoke this fire.
      I’m not trying to brag but I go out of my way to make people feel good and not just blacks.
      I hop this lets you know that not all white people are that way.
      God Bless You

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    • Shannon Adams -  September 10, 2016 - 6:12 pm

      Exactly!

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  9. Andrew -  September 3, 2016 - 11:22 am

    Everybody has their feelings on their shoulder looking for something to be offended about, oh no the song says “slave”. Yes that was history get over it, every race has he some sort of slavery or discrimination. I you want to change everything about a country’s history your welcome to leave and start your own history somewhere else it’s rediculous. Changing school names because they’re “racist” what a joke, and all the people that have white guilt gtfo, I’m not ashamed to be white and I don’t feel bad for anything that happened 200 years ago because all those people are dead and their kids are dead, I didn’t have slaves neither did my dad, grandpa great grandpa or his dad…… Please get over yourself instead of stopping the progression of everything and trying to change history. Study it, it is interesting.

    Sincerely, not a sensitive pansy who’s offended by everything

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    • Andrew -  September 3, 2016 - 11:30 am

      Oh and by the way google how America got slaves and realize they were slaves before they were sold inside their own country…… Don’t see anybody saying anything about that…..

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      • Woodrow Wilson III -  September 7, 2016 - 12:33 am

        I don’t think the point is to change history but just like you said, to study it. And what we find when we study our history as Americans is pretty disappointing a lot of the time. I’m a Black Marine and when I saw that Harper’s Ferry was still being taught at Sergeant’s Course as an example of “good leadership” I was disgusted. Also I can say from much experience there are still a good number of racial issues to be addressed so hopefully it doesn’t upset too many people too much but (please don’t think I’m trying to offend you, I’m not) White Americans have always said that Blacks don’t have any reason to complain. They said it under slavery, the Black Codes, Jim Crow, segregation, oppression after the Civil Rights Act, etc. so why would this decade be any different?

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      • Lauren -  September 10, 2016 - 4:47 pm

        I alluded to that. Scroll up a couple posts.

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        • Lauren -  September 10, 2016 - 4:48 pm

          Andrew, I alluded to that. Scroll up a couple posts.

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    • Wood -  September 6, 2016 - 3:49 pm

      Andrew you are so limited in your perspectives. Just because younwere not around when slavery occurred doesn’t mean that you can’t have empathy for people’s whose ancestors suffered. The impact of slavery still manifests itself today. The wealthiest corporations have fueled their businesses with slave labor. Just about all fortune 500 companies continue to reap thise benefits. Do you tell the Jews that they are too sensitive about the holocaust? What about the native americans? The chinese? All that’s wrong with the African American community comes from the mark of oppression and the pinnacle of slavery. Your ancestors did not experience what mine did, so you do not have the right to tell someone how to deal with it!

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      • Chris Gunderman -  September 7, 2016 - 11:13 am

        The Jewish people have been persecuted and enslaved more than any other race. Per population, the Jewish male is the most successful man in the world and yet they have endured the most during the history of mankind

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        • Chris -  September 7, 2016 - 11:26 am

          I would like to mention that their is still a slave trade going on between Saudi Arabia and Africa. The Saudi’s are still selling castrated black men as slaves. This is totally F’d up obviously, but the American media doesn’t like to mention it. In fact. they have been doing this for over a thousand years, castrating and selling Africans as slaves.

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        • Horace Mann -  September 10, 2016 - 9:01 pm

          1) ancient myths are not real history
          2) the issue here is American history and what has happened here not elsewhere.

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      • J.B. -  September 9, 2016 - 3:46 am

        ALL races at one time in history and in every country had slave labor… it’s just a FACT. If you hate this country, what it stands for and what it was built on…then leave. Go find a nice country that will treat YOU better.

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        • Gen -  September 9, 2016 - 9:23 pm

          Will do, never wanted to stay in this hell hole anyway. You see my really great grandparents were kinda FORCED to be shipped here so… If you wanna pay the fee for sending me back more than willing to take it.

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      • Inner Tard -  September 9, 2016 - 6:21 pm

        Well, unfortunately Andrew does have the right. Its called the Freedom of Speech (which in this case is technically written Speech, not Freedom of the Press which is the publication of written literature). Everyone here makes a point that hits home. We are not going to see each others POV (point of view) because in our own way we are all retarded and want people to think that our inner thoughts will bring about a shinning explosion of realization that will make everyone change their minds and perception on how they see the world. It has been entertaining read your thoughts and beliefs and I truly hope that each one of you get the chance to convert someone to your way of thinking. The important thing is that you are thinking…some of you. Change is inevitable, but will never be embraced by everyone..so let those who disagree have their moment in the sun, the dog’s ass gets cold eventually. Peace to all my inner tards.

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    • Debra piotrowski -  September 6, 2016 - 6:13 pm

      I agree with you 100% Andrew! You couldn’t be more right and people just can’t handle the truth!

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    • Brad -  September 7, 2016 - 11:48 am

      So you’re really easy going and you’re not offended by someone who doesn’t want to stand for the national anthem, right? You’re not offended by people who stand up and say what they want, like Black Lives Matter, right? You’re not looking to be offended so we’re cool?

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    • Terri -  September 7, 2016 - 1:39 pm

      First of all Andrew, there are people, whom was slaves that still alive. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THEY GET A MONTH FROM THE GOVERNMENT? ???? I didn’t think so!!!! $12.00 dollars to live off. So your the one who needs to pick up a book.

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    • Josh -  September 7, 2016 - 9:07 pm

      Oh you are offended by the tone of your email. I’m a white person as well and it iss history, the only way we can make a difference is to stop turning a blind eye and acting as if this mess doesn’t exist today. I am ashamed of how most my people doesn’t want change at all….

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    • What a joke -  September 7, 2016 - 10:55 pm

      Ok, here’s a contradiction for you. You say to get over slavery from 200 or so years ago? Ok, fine…. But at the same time you white people get offended when black people don’t wanna acknowledge or stand up to a song like this?
      Well, why is ok to “forget” slavery, but we have to “remember” and pay so much respect to this song?
      Exactly!!!

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  10. Joe -  September 2, 2016 - 12:27 pm

    You know I find it funny that people are trying to get stop racism but then the same people talking about stopping racism are racist themselves. Yes there was a extra few verses but it was taken out for a reason beacause people change and so do there values. So let’s all just drop it and think about the future not the past.

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    • Black Thought -  September 2, 2016 - 5:41 pm

      why is forget the past only for one group of people. Know one ever says; forget the holocaust or forget 911 or any American tragedy that does not affect “Africans in America.” You are a hypocrite if you say forget all the oppression that is still going on. Studies show it will take “Africans in America” 200 years to catch up with “Europeans in America” and that’s only if they stopped earning anymore money! You are lost in what the media shows you. So don’t say forget the past!

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      • Kenny -  September 6, 2016 - 3:38 pm

        TRUE WORDS

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      • Brad -  September 7, 2016 - 11:57 am

        That’s right. The US paid reparations to Japanese Americans for interning them during WWII. The US paid reparations to many Native American nations for land theft and other wrongs. Germany and Austria paid reparations to Jews after WWII. As for slavery, the US paid reparations to the SLAVE OWNERS for their loss but African Americans were never paid for their stolen labor or compensated for their torture and enslavement. Whites who profited from slavery kept their money and passed it down to their children, which is why African Americans can never catch up unless reparations are paid. Why are black people the only group who shouldn’t ask for justice? The only answer I can think of is: white supremacy.

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      • JS -  September 12, 2016 - 8:32 pm

        How in the world did you come up with the math that it will take 200 years to catchup even if European americans don’t make any money? That makes no sense. Majority of European origin would die withing 12 months if they couldn’t make any money. Most dont have trust. They wouldn’t be able to eat if they couldn’t make money.

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    • P -  September 2, 2016 - 6:13 pm

      How easy is it to forget the past??? What an ignorant thing to say.

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    • Vesha -  September 3, 2016 - 2:21 am

      Yes, you are so right. We have come so far from that area. I believe that is why it was removed. We do need to stay out of the past and be thankful that we don’t live like that anymore. Black people are not the only people that have been slaved. We are all slaves and it has always been like that. Everybody has a birth certificate and a soctal security card. You are owned by the government lol. By the way I am a black woman

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      • Julie -  September 9, 2016 - 1:47 pm

        Thank you, Vesha. The fact that the government is enslaving all of us and turning us against one another on EVERY issue seems to be lost on the population as a whole. The people in power, white and black, are only interested in staying in power. Getting people distracted by fighting amongst themselves and completely divided allows the rich to stay rich while we bicker over scraps thrown to us like dogs, thanking our political masters and running to their defense because we can’t stand the thought of admitting that we backed and fought for our own puppet masters. To admit that our political party idolatry is wrong would be an act of humility and willingness to change. Pride us at stake. But pride comes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. Why are we all bickering over nonsense when we should be letting go of our selfish anger and working towards an America where everyone gets along, works together for the greater good and everyone is rewarded for what they put in?

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    • Yvette Taylor -  September 3, 2016 - 9:10 am

      You’re absolutely right, it is the past and people do change. However there is yet racism in the world today. The black lives matter movement is a clear demonstration of racism in the police brutality that has swept this country. Or a presidential candidate who does not like Hispanics or blacks. You mention that the ones that are talking about racism erases their self. I am nowhere close to being racist I love all people color nationality. And have dated such. Some people do change but a lot of people do not. Racism is still very much alive and in full effect it just comes at you in a different form and fashion As Time revolves. It simply cannot continue to be ignored and pushed under the rug as if nobody sees it. We as the human race must take a stand at some point in time we cannot continue to ignore what is right there in our face. This country was built online and that my dear friend is no surprise it is time for everyone to wake up and open their eyes. It is time for us all to come together and stand for something or fall for anything.

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    • Nasir -  September 3, 2016 - 9:32 am

      Joe your statement is offensive to Black people I say black people because we are not Americans by true definition .We are not racist we don’t take issue with you because of your skin color is because of ur history of violence and oppression and continuance of similar behavior today. Star spangled banner should be destroyed and written again by a person that does not have hatred in there heart not just deleted a verse.
      .
      This is the issue your people apply a band-Aid to the issue instead of really abolishing all together.

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      • Tamonet -  September 6, 2016 - 7:32 pm

        Black people are not racist? That’s a laugh! Our current president stokes the flames of racial divide and has Black Lives Matter all riled up and fighting. People like Obama, Sharpton and Jackson keep telling you that blacks are so oppressed and you swallow it all whole. Whites in general have no issues with race. Blacks assume everything is an attack aimed at them because of race when it’s just not! Police are not out to get blacks – they’re simply trying to keep the peace and keep people safe. What do you expect them to do when their lives are threatened? Step off and ask pretty-please?

        Now on the Star Spangled Banner – accept that it was written by a flawed individual and it celebrates the good things about this country. As society became more enlighted, the third verse was dropped. Write a new one? Can you imagine a white person you would accept as the author? Or would it have to be a black person so it’s more ‘fair?’ Give me a break!

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        • carol -  September 8, 2016 - 6:15 am

          You are a liar.

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        • Deric -  September 11, 2016 - 1:29 am

          Sorry, but you’re just plain wrong here. Not all whites are racist, but we certainly benefit from the institutional racism around us. Until you acknowledge the privilege provided to you by others’ racism and stand against it, you’re as big a part of the problem as they are.

          This whole thread is full of white folks discounting black opinions (and vice versa) because their experiences are different, in part, because of the color of their skin. Use your white voice with the people causing the problem, they will listen to you because you’re an ‘insider’. I’d encourage my black brothers and sisters to do the same.

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    • Joker -  September 3, 2016 - 1:05 pm

      Okay so we should not sing song about us beating the people who have tried to be us? I’m not saying slavery was good at all, it was terrible. But the only way they would take families to join the colonial marines was the men HAD to fight. And we’re very poorly trained. They still fought against us and got what war does…death. so look at your history a but more

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    • katie brown -  September 3, 2016 - 9:53 pm

      do we also forget 9/11

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    • Joseph -  September 3, 2016 - 10:37 pm

      It’s entrenched in the fabric of the people. Altering or eliminating the original for personal gain is foul
      It’s been fifty years since the legislation allowed minimal advancement. So do not downplay such acts.

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    • Green -  September 3, 2016 - 11:13 pm

      Its hard to leave racism behind when its part of your life experience. I would never ask a Jewish person to forget about the Holocaust and just move on. We cannot judge each individuals reality. Why can we not write a new national anthem that shows the way we have evolved? If we truly frown on racism, why not create a new song to show that unity insteadog holding onto the past? Or maybe refusing to let the song go shows that not so much has changed after all? We just try to pretend we are past it because its easier not to admit it or acknowledge that ignoring racism allows it to continue.

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      • Wayne -  September 9, 2016 - 4:41 am

        I really liked your comment Green. Why is it SO hard to write a more appropriate national anthem. Hhmm? Racism is a sickness. It is passed on from generation to generation and has morphed to be more acceptable in many circles, and institutions.

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    • Patty -  September 4, 2016 - 6:14 am

      You know Joe, the only time in America that the phrase, let’s just forget about it and move on comes into play, is when we are talking about how racism began in this country. And that is the enslavement of Black Human Beings. Forget about it. That’s easy for you to say. You have never known a day in which discrimination could dictate how your life could be. Forget about Slavery, yet year after year, Grown men and women reenact Civil War Battles. White’s were outraged at the notion that The Rebel Flag would be removed from Government offices. That’s our history they said!! We remember Pearl Harbor, 911, we celebrate America’s freedom from The Brittish with Independance day celebrations. Yet when it comes to Black Americans, people who’s Blood and Sweat and yes Tears, have helped to build this country, we are told to forget how Man’s inhumanity toward us had effected our Ancestors and the future generations of their survivors. I’m afraid not my friend. We’ve done the best we could, but your Anthem doesn’t have the same meaning for us as it does for you. Learn the entire anthem, not just the pretty first verse. Learn about the White Supremacist Slave Owner who penned it. I can get over singing it, but get over my history, forget about my history, you may have that luxury. I Do Not.

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      • Cjays -  September 6, 2016 - 11:28 pm

        These racist supremacists have no sense of thought process. They are animalistic. They love blood – blood thirsty and vicious. That’s their natural habitat. Please don’t waste your time reasoning with them.They lived in the caves in the Caucasus mountains in Russia. They were at war with water -they don’t know cleanliness. Blacks taught them to be humans. You can do your research. They are sociopath. Thus their name Caucasian. Blacks are the ones who civilized them.
        The Bible refers to them as Edom/Edomites/Esau. The book of Romans, I believe states – Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated. They are deceives, liars , etc, etc. There’s no evil that they would not commit. They Bible already gave you their profile. I was quite shocked, and it was a wake up call for me, and the puzzle began to come together. Blacks have to turn back to the Elohim (God) of our ancestors and not the white Jesus that they gave us from slavery
        Deut. 28 gives detailed info about our sufferings because of our forefathers disobedience.
        …would be sold unto our enemies; they would rule over us, etc. if you study scriptures, The Torah, and the Apocrypha, you would understand who they are. Only The Most High can fight our battles, we have to turn back to Him.
        These are the end times, and prophecies are fast fulfilling. Don’t take my word for it, read, read, read…

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        • Peppergut -  September 7, 2016 - 11:55 am

          My Bro Cjays I do believe that u mean well but u need to read the old and new testament of ur bible. Jesus was not given to us through slavery he was given to us the Father Jehovah. I agree that white America tried to make Jesus white but that’s a lie. The white people in the Bible were the Greeks and Romans. No jews had white skin. 400 years captivity in Egypt and 70 in Babylon to name a few, there was in breeding. Their skin was dark like Africans because of that and because of the dry desert climate in that area also. Don’t let satan fool u into not receiving Jesus Christ as ur Lord and Savior. Please read these verses Romans 10:9-10 John 10:9 Acts4:10:12 Phil 2:9-11 God bless u brother….

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          • Julie -  September 9, 2016 - 2:01 pm

            Peppermint, the only thing that I have to point out is that it wasn’t “white America” that tried to make Jesus white, but European artists portraying Him in paintings for the Catholic Church. Anyone who reads the Bible at all should be well aware that Yeshua, born in the lineage of David, was a Jew. The Bible is written from the Jewish point of view, covering Jewish history and culture which is why it remains so mysterious to so many westerns. People need to do the homework to find out why the things written there are in there. Learn Jewish history and culture. Read it from the point of view of the Jew. As far is interbreeding goes, I would ask that if that were widely practiced, why were the Jews in New Testament times so prejudiced against Samaritans, which were a half-Jewish race? Jesus shocked even His disciples when He ministered to the Samaritan woman at the well (Rabbis never even acknowledged their wives in public, much less a strange woman lest their morals be questioned). The woman even asked Him why He, being Jewish, would speak to her, a Samaritan. No, Yeshua isn’t white. He’s a middle eastern Jew.

        • Trickologist -  September 7, 2016 - 6:27 pm

          You forgot to mention that the Caucasoid troglodytes lived and slept with canines and were not civilized until a later visit by Moses after his trek north to the Caucasus to complete Yakub’s vision.

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        • Scott J -  September 16, 2016 - 3:30 pm

          If you extend your logic, then look in the mirror because the Egyptians taught the world about civilization and slavery. So acknowledge that we are all to blame and let’s get constructive about how we move forward. I am tired of waiting for nesbeth to be correct and the world blend into brown.

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      • Wayne -  September 9, 2016 - 4:45 am

        Patty is REALLY on point. Well said.

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    • Michael -  September 4, 2016 - 8:55 am

      Black Lives Matter is about the future…and the present…and the past.

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      • King AW -  September 8, 2016 - 11:41 pm

        False

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    • Gennie Martin -  September 4, 2016 - 9:55 am

      Seems there is value and prvilege in dominating and controlling other people. Seems also that an under class is necessary; or who would do those unpleasant jobs. The entire society was built on preserving the status quo, so that the progress and privilege of some and the use/abuse of others would be ensured. Why else would the (soon to be closed down – if Hillary wins) For Profit Prisons, be using the data for grades 8 and 9 black boys, to prepare forecasts for the expansion and profitability of their vile businesses. In an equitable society the plans would be for constructing additional college space, dorm rooms and the creation of appropriate jobs for a growth ecomony. Know this: We have been terribly abused for a long time, and we do not intend to ‘be quiet and just go away. This country is ours too, paid for byhundreds of years of blood, sweat, tears and hope.

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    • Shawn -  September 4, 2016 - 10:52 am

      Explain how those that say they want to stop racism are themselves racist. While people and values do change for some, unfortunately that doesn’t apply to a large segment of the population. Even though slavery has been over for 150+ years, the civil rights movement was 100 years later. And it wouldn’t have been necessary if what you say is true. A large segment of population today can’t think about the future positively when there is still rampant racism in justice system, housing market, business sector, etc. To think these problems no longer exist means you personally have never dealt with these issues, or you’re simply living in denial.

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    • Ghost -  September 4, 2016 - 12:34 pm

      Conveniently removing a verse doesn’t change the meaning of the original anthem. That’s like editing the curse words out of a misogynist song, still the same song. So why should black players be obligated to pledge to an anthem that celebrated the killing of slaves? Kaepernick is right in his peaceful protest of police brutality/killings.

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    • M. -  September 5, 2016 - 4:33 am

      Easy for you to say since you don’t live with discrimination everyday. Don’t worry you are safe.

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      • King AW -  September 8, 2016 - 11:42 pm

        That’s Real

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    • Michele -  September 5, 2016 - 4:55 am

      Guess you’re not aware of the pain that hundreds of years of racism can cause. And if America is sorry why couldn’t someone stand up and say so!

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    • little eva -  September 5, 2016 - 7:45 am

      This did not become offensive until Colin said it is…OMG…how weak are humans??????? If you don’t want to acknowledge this song, stay seated…but it’s not about that..nope..it’s about look at me..look at me.

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    • Andrea Johnson -  September 5, 2016 - 7:47 am

      The future should have been considered when it was written. Oops, many blacks couldnt read. So, it wasnt a problem then. OOPS, BLACKS WERENT EVEN FREED WHEN THE POEM WHICH LATER BECAME A SONG AND ADOPTED AS THE NATIONAL ANTHEM WAS WRITTEN. AND EVEN WHILE BEING WRITTEN, IF THE INTENTION WAS FOR ALL PEOPLE, LEAVE THE BITTER OUT. OOPS, WHO CARED ABOUT THAT SLAVE. OOPS, WHO CARED IF THEY BECAME FREE AND DAMMIT, WHO THOUGHT IT WOULD BE PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME. I DONT LIVE BITTER, BECAUSE I TRUST IN GOD, BUT I DONT LIVE THE DARK PAST BECAUSE I SEE IN THE GLASS. UNDERSTAND WHAT SAY, BUT YOU TOO MUST SEE OUR STRUGGLING DAY

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    • Yahya Hassan -  September 5, 2016 - 7:52 am

      Joe, the past mistakes by omission or commission MUST be kept in mind to assure a better future. The past (missed lessons from mistakes) if the lessons are not learned WILL be in the future to ruin it. Going forward with disregard for the past mistakes creates a more oppressive future that becomes a past worse than the previous past.

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    • Cindy -  September 5, 2016 - 8:36 am

      EXACTLY

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    • Jax -  September 5, 2016 - 8:08 pm

      Easier said than done. Still to much hate going around. People are feeling to entitled to do or say what they want to whomever. Change must be made

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    • Jason -  September 5, 2016 - 8:35 pm

      I have thought that’s what we needed to do as well. Worry about tomorrow, instead of fretting about yesterday. Then I decided to travel the States by car, I had the funds to be a bum for a bit. I learned a lot from different regions of America. Many good things and many sad things. A vast majority of people are simply not educated about our history, including myself. I learne more and more every day. Hopefully one day I’ll get better at grammar, lol. Our history is important; not only to know how we started, but how far we’ve come. Within learningthis we will know how much further we have to go, and how to get there. It’s important to know how racist we were, realize how racist we still are, to ultimately put it in the past and begin living the new future. Just my thoughts on it.

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    • Timothy -  September 5, 2016 - 10:26 pm

      “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”
      -George Santayana, 1905

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    • Joey Pease -  September 6, 2016 - 10:14 am

      Exactly… Always blaming others for their races shortcomings. There is only one race that has never been able to build a country of their own that amounted to more than a starved& diseased,lawless&uncivilized 3rd world, TOTAL hell hole.This is due to a genetic shortcoming and genes that only render shitty pedigrees that cause these uncivilized rants and attention seeking fits , negative or positive attention, heathen races don’t care…They’re a leach and are the violent oppressors… if any reading this may need to call now for a pitcher of larvae infested Afican wildebeest pond water fetched by starved& neglected children in order to chase down the bitter truth.

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    • Luci -  September 6, 2016 - 10:53 am

      It is easy for you to say ” let’s drop it” especially when you are on the other side and enjoy life as many others are unable. You are totally clueless.

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    • Harriet2016 -  September 6, 2016 - 11:05 am

      I am a real black woman (I see others’ authenticity has been questioned.) and I agree. Some people are happy that they can bring up the past because they have a racism fettish. Plus, “the media” doesn’t delineate between racist retaliation, bitterness and true activism.
      Have issues with the past/current government of your homeland? Most people around the world do as well. Do what you can to make it better. Don’t become a rebel.
      I don’t agree with every aspect of our system and I deal with racial profiling. However, I am a love it or leave it American. This is my one and only homeland. I am most concerned about our future and using our strengths to continue to improve.

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      • Cjays -  September 6, 2016 - 11:56 pm

        I want to agree with you that this America is your homeland, but are you sure. Please give it some thought process. You were brought here as slaves, kidnapped. Your name, language, culture, everything was taken or hidden from you. You were beaten into submission. Really your homeland?
        I thought so too. My ancestors were also taken as slaves to the Caribbean. I thought that I was a West Indian until about three years ago. When I started to gather info, I wept bitterly. Now I know who I am and my status, I am proud. I no longer believe the lies, and I thank The Most High for the revelation. My last name is not a true identity of who I am, neither does your, unless massa allowed your ancestors to keep it. The best and only way to destroy ones identity is to hide it. Do you think it was a coincidence? The oppressors know exactly who we are, except us, therefore, they have good reasons to hide it from us. Knowledge is empowerment. Know your identity. DoYour Research!!!!!

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        • Dan -  September 8, 2016 - 12:45 am

          If you really feel this way, done so much research, feel so beaten down… Then go back to your “home land” where you and ancestors were takin from and live there… I’m sure you would have a way better life and much more freedom. Poor you!!!

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    • Understand this -  September 6, 2016 - 2:55 pm

      The fact that someone change is good but removing part of a song because it belittles a group or set of people is covering over not changing. If an artist today was to make a song that down played a whole group of people that PART of the song wouldn’t be omitted nope it would be trashed, the whole song not part of it. So don’t say think about the future and not the past when the past is repeating itself and then try and justify it words by saying they took it out, no if they really have changed then make a new song without negative words being omitted to spare feelings.

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    • Kenny -  September 6, 2016 - 2:59 pm

      Can never forget the past. the same thing is happening now to remind us of the past……

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    • Tony Marcano -  September 7, 2016 - 12:53 pm

      I agree with you Joe. America has changed so much let’s all move on. Forgive them but never forget. We’re All Americans no one more than others! Let’s learn to get along like Americans should. ” live in Peace, or Rest in Peace”. Semper Fi

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  11. Storm -  September 2, 2016 - 7:43 am

    I find it hilarious that a man in the middle of a twelve hour plus terrifying battle that he himself could have been easily killed himself would sit down in the middle of it to write a poem about promoting slavery. I guess all white people when faced with their own mortality that is the first thing that fills their minds is the suppression of an entire ethnic group of people.

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    • TheOne -  September 2, 2016 - 10:28 am

      Ok, everyone is trying to tell the story of the past, we all know it happenned and it was wrong. We know how to learn from our mistakes but who of us make an effort to change? We may talk about it, but who really acts? I commend Kap for his action to bring attention to the current issues by his silent protest. Some may be offended and some may not but never the less, we all acknowledge it did happen. Everyone has their own interpretation of a given stimulus but the real goal should be how to fix what’s so wrong in society today. Some choose not to see the problem , usually are the ones it doesn’ t effect. And if the behavior of an individual is out of the norm and is deemed an interruption of the carefree daily activities of the non-affected then its wrong even though the actions of the individuals are stimulated by a real problems. Kap took a stand for something that needs to be addressed and instead of judging him we need to look at the root cause of his protest and not only respect his decission but strive together to fix the freakin problem instead of pointing fingers! I’m a veteran that proudly served this country but let it not be misunderstood what I fought and bled for, it was for the rights and the ability to ensure we ALL get equal rights, opportunities and treatment under the law, not so that people can invoke the names of veterans that died to suit their own goals when it deems fit. I love what this country SAYS it stands for and not what it actually does. And that’s what’s sad, it says one thing and does another, It states “Liberty and Justice for ALL!” Not just for the few privileged and the ones in power and that’s the issue. If you don’t see the problem then you are the few and privileged, but don’t be fooled or blind because you just don’t want to see. THERE IS A PROBLEM! I would love to see America stand up and be what it claims but WE have to do it together! And I feel Kap is just the first person that stood up, like the first person that starts to clap and then everyone joins in! We all have to stand together or together we will all fall!

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      • Beverly -  September 2, 2016 - 4:33 pm

        I totally agree with your statement. It’s very easy to say, “Forget the Past”, live in the future, when you see the same Police Brutality happened back in the sixty, is now happening in 2016.
        Yes, all races have people that are good and not do good. But, all of us shouldn’t be stereotyped, for our skin color.
        Some people believe Black folks doesn’t want to work! But, it’s awful how some businesses, Caucasian and Hispanic bosses believe they can treat people of color! Even, if you have written twenty letters to Human Resource, nothing changes.

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      • Wow well said THE ONE , BRAVO BRAVO -  September 2, 2016 - 5:41 pm

        Well said THE ONE BRAVO MY FRIEND BRAVO

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      • Urica -  September 2, 2016 - 6:31 pm

        Great comment!

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        • Urica -  September 2, 2016 - 6:33 pm

          Great comment!! -TheOne

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      • Emily Gilliard -  September 2, 2016 - 9:22 pm

        Your commentary is truly well written , and expresses what I’ve personally felt for a long time. I do not sing the state song , “Maryland My Maryland ” because it too celebrates the desire of the dominant culture to maintain the enslavement of a people . I look forward to the day when all people are truly regarded as free men and women. It is unlikely, in my opinion, to be achieved without bloodshed…for many of those in charge are greedy and prideful …they slaughtered the people that helped them to survive after they reached these shores …I pray that I am wrong…I truly want to be . Thank you so much for fighting for the limited freedoms that we presently enjoy

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      • Al Rolle -  September 3, 2016 - 8:23 am

        Not everyone knows the past and unfortunately turning a blind eye to it is the problem. So many try to wash away the true history but only want to relive the good parts which is unfair to our youth if all races. Ignorance is why so many kids and adults think it’s ok to just forget it or never even know about our history. I am 35 years old and I never knew the full song until recently. I studied American history in Public school and they omit things. I love this country and I teach my kids all the time. We recently took a trip to Mt. Vernon to see George Washingtons estate and they left out the fact that his dentures had teeth pulled from his slaves mouths. My kids where very interested in his teeth. Just little things like that bothers me. Why do you want to forget so bad? Is it because there is bad history and not all good? The truth hurts

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      • You said it beautifully!! It's time for all of us to stand together and take our GREAT USA BACK! -  September 3, 2016 - 9:30 am

        I’m finding more and more daily to comment about! I have never before stood up like I have this past year and shared my faith and political views with others! Thank you Jesus for my strength and guidance! We must learn to communicate with each other, work together for the rights of all people, make the laws the same for every American from the White House down!… We the American people have allowed this to happen to ourselves! It’s time for a change and I know only one who surrounded by the right people and God Almighty that can do this! My opinion!!!…

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      • M. -  September 5, 2016 - 4:41 am

        Thank you. Reading this made me cry. I pray that one day we all will be able to acknowledge that there is a problem and agree to work together to fix it. God bless.

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      • Bonnie -  September 5, 2016 - 8:18 am

        Excellent response!

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      • Carolyn -  September 6, 2016 - 5:36 am

        To The One: thank you. Your comment was correct and thoughtful. Your post alone cut my anger about this situation. You have a level head and thank you for your service. God bless you and your family.

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    • Danno -  September 2, 2016 - 3:16 pm

      The first half of that verse is talking about the British forces being turned back or dying and the second half is talking about the mercenaries and British slaves (forced to fight for them) being turned back or dying as well. Saying this is promoting slavery is much like when Ben Stiller accidentally says “bomb” on the airplane in the movie “Meet the Parents.” Yes, he said bomb on an airplane but it wasn’t meant to be interpreted in that way. If anything he was putting down the British for forcing their slaves to fight us. But, he said slave so that makes it racist.

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    • Andrew -  September 3, 2016 - 11:28 am

      Where does it promote slavery? Because it says slave? There are still slaves today, what are you doing to help those people? You were not a slave or anybody that you know? I find it Funny how when blacks are faced with history all they can do is call white people racist. Take your feelings off your shoulder and read the song. It’s talking about getting freedom from the british

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      • Gen -  September 9, 2016 - 9:17 pm

        This was written by a British man…

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    • Joker -  September 3, 2016 - 1:02 pm

      He wrote the song after the battle

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    • Gennie Martin -  September 4, 2016 - 9:30 am

      He reflected on what he witnessed, during the fight, including dead slaves and hirelings, and wrote his now infamous poem when the battle ended.

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    • Fred -  September 6, 2016 - 5:54 am

      Storm let’s not try and make any excuses for Racist white people if you hate people because of their skin color that’s life Francis Scott key knew what he was written he own slaves you have about 44 to 45 % of white people are still Racist and that’s want ever change because they will be breeding hate into their kids.

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    • Luci -  September 6, 2016 - 10:54 am

      Keep laughing.

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  12. Don M -  September 1, 2016 - 2:51 pm

    I think the Star Bangled Banner should be shelved… Let the anthem of the country represent it’s splendor… I suggest “America the Beautiful”… Far better in description and a hellolot easier to sing. It just evokes heart felt feelings..

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    • Beverly -  September 2, 2016 - 4:35 pm

      I agree! It’s a beautiful song.

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    • James R. -  September 2, 2016 - 6:37 pm

      Amen Don. I’m with you on this point.

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    • Angela -  September 3, 2016 - 7:58 pm

      I agree 100%

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    • Andrea Johnson -  September 5, 2016 - 7:49 am

      Totally agree and it speaks of just our country

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    • Tee -  September 6, 2016 - 12:12 am

      Agreed

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    • JS -  September 12, 2016 - 8:44 pm

      Congratulations! Hundreds of responses and your the first to offer a solution instead of whining. And I’m referring to all sides whining, not one side. That’s how you move forward……offer specific solutions, not vague street philosopher comments.

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  13. King AW -  September 1, 2016 - 2:18 pm

    Anyway the comments in here are getting out of hand, but I could care less about trying to dissect the true meaning of the star spangled banner song. How can you be so outraged about a song but quiet as a mouse about today’s real issues? How come you can see big foot but can’t see rascism?

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    • Rodney -  September 1, 2016 - 4:37 pm

      O’re the land of the privileged and the home of the weak

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    • Bermudajo -  September 1, 2016 - 9:17 pm

      Please only see what they want. Please are only concerned about things that affect them.

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    • timothytoomey -  September 1, 2016 - 10:37 pm

      exactly

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    • pastorkedar -  September 2, 2016 - 9:10 am

      I think it’s high time we had a national debate about this song. Some have objected to it because of its violent nature, but Kapernick has us debating it for reasons that are more substantive.

      Francis Scott Key was a founding member of the American Colonization Society, which devoted itself to removing free Africans from theses shores. the ACS “saw the presence of blacks in America as a threat to the national well-being and the quality of life for whites.” It held that “free blacks were “unfavorable to our industry and morals.”

      They were instrumental in oppressing the natives of Liberia, and populating that West African region with the same caste system adhered to in the American South. I think this makes it clear what he meant by the third verse of the song.

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      • Luci -  September 6, 2016 - 11:16 am

        On point. It is one of the most racist, pro-slavery, anti-Black songs in the American lexicon and Blacks would be wise to obliterate it from their playlist. Key was an aristocrat and a city prosecutor in Washington, D.C. Like most men of his day, he was pro-slavery and believed that since Blacks were mentally inferior, masters should treat them with more Christian kindness. He supported sending “free Blacks” back to Africa and with a few exceptions, was about as pro-slavery anti-Black and ant- abolitionist as one could get at the time. Of particular note was Key’s opposition to the idea of the Colonial Marines, who were a battalion of runaway slaves who joined with the British Royal Army in exchange for their freedom. These marines were not only a terrifying example of what slaves would do if given the chance, but also a repudiation of the white superiority that men like Key also invested in. Key, in this, decried the former slaves who defected and worked for the British army.

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    • Big Moe -  September 2, 2016 - 9:41 am

      King AW if there was an award for putting things in perspective “YOU” wou be 2016′s recipient of the year hands down!!! The Big Foot analogy is absolutelyp priceless!!!

      Big Moe

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    • Noam Beefheart -  September 5, 2016 - 8:14 pm

      So when you complain about one thing then you also have to complain about every other bad thing in the entire world or it means you don’t care at all? That’s an idiotic argument you have there.

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      • King AW -  September 8, 2016 - 11:35 pm

        lol, standing for something that has no real purpose or not saying a thing about the death of unarmed black children? I know which side you’re on and that’s pretty idiotic.

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  14. Erica re-post. -  September 1, 2016 - 1:46 pm

    I am a black woman. This is the first time I have seen or read the original national anthem. I do not find it racist. I find that the writer is describing the events he witnessed. If he did not witness this we would not have this as our national anthem. He does not describe the slaves or hirelings in a negative light. The way I take it is that the war is fierce and there is very few places that anyone could hide. The man who wrote The Anthem was also a responsible man who tried to help black slaves. Many whites of the time did not like him because he was against slavery. That is also a reason I do not believe that this was meant to be racist. My family friends and I have discussed the past. We all seem to agree that if Americans could forgive and not try to hold it against others about our past that America would be much better off. It’s unfortunate that so many people try to use the past as a reason to be upset today. There really is no need for that. America also still has its problems, but is much better today than it was 100 years ago for that matter even 50 or 20 years ago. this song is not racist. The only way that it could appear to be racist is when people twist words and meanings and try to make it seem that way. That is not what America was founded on, America is supposed to be free, and as a free Nation we should not sit, cry and pout about the past. We should accept that mistakes have been made. We are not living in those days of slavery and oppression anymore, we should not try to make it as if everything is trying to remind us of those days. We need to move forward and quit trying to make it look as if everybody is a racist. Unfortunately there are racist people out there butt in the whole they are far and few between. It’s not only whites who are racist, I have racist friends. I do not believe in that, but that shows there are also African-American racist. And it’s not just our two races that are racist there are racists in every race. But as a whole it is much much much better today than it was back in the day when that song was written. And even though racism was horrible back in those days the man who wrote The Star-Spangled Banner does not appear to be a racist in my eyes

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    • Laurie -  September 2, 2016 - 10:48 am

      Just my curiosity of your interpretation: If the writer was making the statement “that the war is fierce and there is very few places that anyone could hide.” why didnt he say that. he made specific reference to slaves or hirelings? so as you feel that others interpretation of the verse is wrong, could it be that your interpretation may also be wrong?

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      • Danno -  September 2, 2016 - 3:27 pm

        The first half of that verse is talking about the British forces being turned back or dying and the second half is talking about the mercenaries and British slaves (forced to fight for them) being turned back or dying as well. Saying this is promoting slavery is much like when Ben Stiller accidentally says “bomb” on the airplane in the movie “Meet the Parents.” Yes, he said bomb on an airplane but it wasn’t meant to be interpreted in that way. If anything he was putting down the British for forcing their slaves to fight us. But, he said slave so that makes it racist.

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      • M. -  September 5, 2016 - 4:42 am

        Exactly!

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    • a black man -  September 2, 2016 - 11:37 am

      saying you’re a black woman does not mean your a real black person. You could be a white man pretending to be a black woman.

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      • King AW -  September 3, 2016 - 11:14 am

        Lol

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      • Betty Gibbons -  September 3, 2016 - 9:53 pm

        It’s so strange how people want to drop trying to wipe out a whole race/ nation of people. Want to forget and think about the future which will never be forgotten. It will be in remembrance until the coming of the Lord. The people called racist just can not love and forget about a people who treated them less than a dog. Animals were giving the best. People from the other race/nation would love for Blacks to let bye gone be bye gone. It’s not going to happen. You can debate or change this song it not going matter.

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      • Rob -  September 4, 2016 - 8:59 pm

        Why would it matter what the color of this person’s skin is “a black man”?

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      • little eva -  September 5, 2016 - 7:32 am

        and you could be, and you could be, and we all could be.I would like to be a lot of things that I am not. And it is ALL due to the color of my skin, right??Of course.Someone on here said if you don’t like it, go back to where you came from?Of course this only applies to whites. I feel offended, oppressed, disrespected, NOT!! Because some will always bitch and complain.It’s a perfect excuse to stay where you want to be in life.

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      • a red man -  September 5, 2016 - 7:29 pm

        OMG! You’re right!

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    • Victor Edwards -  September 2, 2016 - 6:14 pm

      I don’t know what America you live in when they hunt blacks down and kill us for no reason except that they fear for there lives and they are the ones with the guns in there hands and we are unarmed how can you say that things are better.who are they better for maybe you can tell me I am waiting

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    • Southern girl -  September 3, 2016 - 12:31 am

      As a black woman myself and this being my first time seeing the song in its entirety, I have to agree with you 100 percent. I do not find anything what so ever raciest about this and also agree that the writer was only describing what he witnessed in his own words and time. 200 years ago people!

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    • Orlando Cotton -  September 3, 2016 - 3:39 am

      Erica you do not have enough information. Google Francis Scott Keys!

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    • Josecauthen -  September 3, 2016 - 8:09 am

      Erica my poor misguided child. You said he doesn’t describe the slaves in negative light, then why did he have to seperate the slaves from the hirelings? Key didn’t give a damn for free black men, if he had his way he would rid the country of the blacks that couldn’t benefit the white cause. You said forgive YES, forget HELL NO! Blacks ( I SAID BLACKS) in america have always been told to turn the other cheek. When we do we get slapped on the other side by the person who told us to turn the cheek. You printed African American, YOUR’E NOT AFRICAN AMERICAN, YOU ARE BLACK!!! Check your family tree real good. See how much rea African blood runs through your veins. You more than likely have Indian, white, Irish or Jewish blood some where in there. Pres. Obama is African American , his wife & kids are BLACK. Having grown up in the jim crow south chased by the klan in the 60s thing have changed, but not as much as you wish others to believe. They just took off the sheet and put on a suit. Yes I have many white friends and they will tell you to stop trying to candy coat reality. Racisum was, is, and will always be part of the foundation of this GREAT LAND. Creck you real United States history.

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    • Lue -  September 3, 2016 - 9:23 am

      In the 3rd verse is where the misrepresentation stands. The war of 1814 took place because the US tried to overtake Canada ruled at that time by Britian.

      Slavery was in full effect in the US but not Canada. Canada allowed slaves to migrate there and promised no one would be forcesd to return.

      The 3rd verse speaks to refuge/In Canada, hirelings/ slaves. Canada allowed all people freedom so some 6000 people fled there. Some were well trained for the military. That’s where that verse is going. In the end there was a treaty between the US and Canada. The US demanded their property (slaves) returned. Canada refused. Some blacks stayed in Canada others settled in Trinidad.

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    • Chris -  September 3, 2016 - 11:33 am

      Yes he mentioned slaves, there were slaves then. He didn’t say it was wrong or right. The past can’t be changed, only the future.If half the effort was spent on changing the future instead of thinking of ways to erase past we would be a lot further along.

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    • In His Service -  September 3, 2016 - 12:44 pm

      Erica,

      You are mistaken about him being against slavery, he owned slaves and used his position to fight against abolitionism. He did give some of his slaves freedom and believed that slaves should not be “mistreated” but continued to own slaves. He believed in slavery and fought for its continued existence. This is documented in several sources.

      I agree that America is better than it use to be but we still have some issues to overcome. Some of us see and experience the poison of racism more than others but we all have a responsibility to make this country a place where all are afforded an equal opportunity to achieve success. Racism is ugly regardless of who demonstrates it. There are people who behave poorly in every race, group, and background. It is up to the rest of us to stand up or “sit down” against these wrongs.

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    • shudagirl@gmail.com -  September 3, 2016 - 11:14 pm

      Erika,,,a black woman you need to do a little more research on who Francis Scott Key is…

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    • White -  September 4, 2016 - 7:48 am

      Man, lady whatever you maybe your lost about life if your doing good, that good for you your only one person think about others not just your good fortune.

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    • Educational psychologist -  September 4, 2016 - 8:23 am

      Black people cannot be racist. Blacks are not systematically in a position of power. They can however be prejudiced. Hating another when you are in the minority does not do anything to keep that dominant group behind. Whites hold the economic, political, social and educational powers in the US. That is important. I suggest being open to becoming educated on this. Yes, there should be forgiveness. But there should not be forgetting, because then we’ll be apt to repeat it. Especially since a lot of the attitudes of the past continued to plague our society in a more coverted and dangerous form. When you know your enemy you can take precautions. If not, then your enemy has the upper hand. And for the record, being Black does not mean that you are immuned to the false narratives out there. WEB Du Bois articulated that very well in his writings.

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    • John -  September 4, 2016 - 12:00 pm

      Finally, somebody gets it! He was writing about what he witnessed at the time.

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    • Brady McElligott -  September 4, 2016 - 1:57 pm

      “Hireling” and “slave”, in the context of the verse in which they appear, are referring to the British who vowed to wipe us out. Never in our history have Native Americans, nor African slaves, gone to war to wipe us out, which is what the verse specifies. Even the “Indian Wars” were to keep the US from encroaching on territories that did not belong to the Europeans, but they were not to wipe the US out.

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    • John Wrobrl -  September 5, 2016 - 12:16 am

      Obviously Erica you get it and I agree with your synopsis.

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    • M. -  September 5, 2016 - 4:38 am

      You are truly misguided but then again aren’t most Americans? They can’t even see their own atrocities throughout this world for generations.

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    • Flyinby -  September 5, 2016 - 7:54 am

      Amen! Eloquently stated!

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    • Steven Guissari -  September 5, 2016 - 7:13 pm

      Exactly, He was off shore and not engaged with the fighting however he uses his spyglass ( early binoculars ) to see what was occurring at the fort. He being a poet, lawyer and WHO REALLY KNOWS… Maybe a proud person seeing this Fort was still not taken so he began to ” pen ” his eyewitness accounts and his thoughts on the entire moments he was taking in!!!. In other words, he included those who were present, no conspiracy theory to his writing it IS MY GUESS and most intelligent and common sense thinking, progressive people who actual research the relationships about History and don’t rely on your American Jr high school and High school watered down versions of ” history ” . This goes for slavery for SURE, look who owned the first slave up North?. There was a massive amount of slaves from Europe to ” serve ” the ruling King during their times. Many many slaves didn’t come from Africa, but other West Indies and other areas. Also, ALL WEREN’T STOLEN by Whitney! Many tribal leaders gave away those they feared would challenge their POWER position in tribe, or many made barter agreements with slave traders to protect THEIR OWN TRIBE ( AREAS ) , and help the ” traders ” capture their own ” neighboring natives. Just some thought for a couple of those who want to throw stuff out without details.

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    • Hope -  September 5, 2016 - 7:37 pm

      We are living in a time where no matter what you say someone will come back at you with another negative statement. Sad that you would be accused of not even being a black woman. What can we do to move forward? Our next generation of children are seeing so much hate & no way to resolve the issues. How will they lead this country? How will our grandchildren be able to make a difference in their world everyone rises up against each other? America was once respected as a strong country. Now we are laughed at and mocked by world leaders as a country that is weak. It’s turned into a place where fear & Violence is our norm. We have turned against ourselves. Can we ever again unite or is it just to late? I wish someone with a voice for America would take a positive stand for all sides and we could come together and unite once again as a strong country.

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    • Thomas -  September 5, 2016 - 9:50 pm

      No, He was not an abolitionist. He owned slaves and defended slavery. As to whether he was being racist when he penned these words or not, I dunno I wasn’t there. More than likely he wasn’t feeling any sympathy for the hirelings and slaves being killed.

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      • Cjays -  September 7, 2016 - 12:12 am

        I agree with you that you weren’t there, however, you weren’t there neither when your fore parents were raped, wipped, tortured, castrated,burned, lynched, with their spouses looking on helpless. Did it or didn’t it took place?

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    • Malinda -  September 6, 2016 - 9:27 am

      Thank you for what you wrote. I’ve been so upset by all this for a long time. I’m not racists but even if I voice an opinion I’m considered to be. I either use the wrong word or imply something I never meant ect. I am so sorry for what happen back then just as I am about the Indians. It was horrific and I can tell you if I was alive back then I could never be ok with any of it and I’m sure most humans couldn’t. There is always bad though, bad folks in every race. I just wish they would let us move forward instead of always dragging us back. Another thing I seem to notice to is a lot of ppl that keep doing this is the most privileged whites and blacks I’ve ever seen. Hope you have a great week!

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    • Luci -  September 6, 2016 - 12:49 pm

      You obviously have NO idea what you are posting. None whatsoever. My strong suggestion is that you open books,read , research and learn. Francis Scott Key, never helped slaves. He was pro-slavery, anti-Black, anti-abolitionist and believed that all slaves were mentally inferior and needed a slave master to guide them. You need to understand that this man was an aristocrat and city prosecutor in Washington D.C. And was like most men NOT against slavery. He supported sending “free Blacks” back to Africa because he disliked them. He wrote this song after realizing that the British solicited Black slaves into their marine battalion in exchange for their freedom. The Colonial Marines were a terrifying battalion of runaway slaves who joined with the British Royal Army in order to obtain freedom. This was a repudiation of white superiority that men like Key invested in. Key was opposed to the idea of the Colonial Marines bc they were a unit of runaway slaves who joined with the British Royal Army in EXCHANGE for their freedom. Key resented them bc of this the British marched into Washington, burned down the Library of Congress, the Capitol Building and the White House. Just imagine Black Soldiers trampling the city that you love and then given freedom. Any one who is pro-slavery, racism, discrimination, and/or white superiority deserves to be shamed. Yes, slavery does still exist today, just has taken on a different form viz. the prison complex industry, poverty, shootings by “slave patrols”, discrimination, racism, poor education and housing, beatings, voting rights denied, prejudice, etc. so since Key does not appear to be a racist in your eyes, I can only say that you would have made the perfect slave because you have no understanding nor do you have knowledge of history not are you able to recognize oppression of Black people then nor today. It is a theory know as the Stockholm Syndrome. Do you hate your people as much as you love Key? No offense, but knowledge is a blessing and ignorance a curse. Any fool can know. The point is to understand. The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Blessings .

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    • Dan -  September 8, 2016 - 9:41 am

      You said it perfectly

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      • Dan -  September 8, 2016 - 9:43 am

        Not for your comment for Erica

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  15. Erica -  September 1, 2016 - 1:31 pm

    I am a black woman. This is the first time I have seen or read the original national anthem. I do not find it racist. I find that the writer is describing the events he witnessed. If he did not witness this we would not have this as our national anthem. He does not describe the slaves or hirelings in a negative light. The way I take it is that the war is fierce and there is very few places that anyone could hide. The man who wrote The Anthem was also a responsible man who tried to help black slaves. Many whites of the time did not like him because he was against slavery. That is also a reason I do not believe that this was meant to be racist. My family friends and I have discussed the past. We all seem to agree that if Americans could forgive and not try to hold it against others about our past that America would be much better off. It’s unfortunate that so many people try to use the past as a reason to be upset today. There really is no need for that. America also still has its problems, but is much better today than it was 100 years ago for that matter even 50 or 20 years ago. this song is not racist. The only way that it could appear to be racist is when people twist words and meanings and try to make it seem that way. That is not what America was founded on, America is supposed to be free, and as a free Nation we should not sit, cry and pout about the past. We should accept that mistakes have been made. We are not living in those days of slavery and oppression anymore, we should not try to make it as if everything is trying to remind us of those days. We need to move forward and quit trying to make it look as if everybody is a racist. Unfortunately there are racist people out there butt in the whole they are far and few between. It’s not only whites who are racist, I have racist friends. I do not believe in that, but that shows there are also African-American racist. And it’s not just our two races that are racist there are racists in every race. But as a whole it is much much much better today than it was back in the day when that song was written. And even though racism was horrible back in those days the man who wrote The Star-Spangled Banner does not appear to be a racist in my eyes.

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    • Travon Williams -  September 1, 2016 - 1:37 pm

      after reading your post Miss Erica pretty much agree with you. but one thing I think you missed is the word hirelings in the same area as slaves. I think you should have said that both of those words were used in the same context because I think that the hirelings are white people that were working low paying jobs. And with that the writer of The Star-Spangled Banner was putting blacks and whites in the same category.

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      • M. -  September 5, 2016 - 4:47 am

        Why would low paying whites be be needing refuge “From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave”, when they were free free?

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    • Kenyahn Parker -  September 4, 2016 - 9:05 am

      I never stand for the national anthem. My pledge is to Jesus Christ.

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      • d -  September 12, 2016 - 10:07 am

        jesus isn’t even real

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    • Andrea Johnson -  September 5, 2016 - 7:52 am

      If there was nothing to hide after so many years, why havent we ever heard it at any event, or football game, etc.

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    • Sandy -  September 7, 2016 - 9:01 pm

      Thank you for your insightful comments. I and my husband travel from our little town to the bigger city of St Louis MO quite frequently. On every occasion we meet people of all races, religion and nationalities. I enjoy this very much. Never have we been treated unfairly or treated anyone unfairly because they were different. We often eat at an IHOP restaurant where the majority of patrons are African American people, we held the door for a man with his wife in wheel chair, sat by them and enjoyed our meal and pleasant conversation with them. We found they both attended our local college here. We had much in common yet differences as well. The table on the other side were younger couples but still joined in our conversation. None found us being white a problem. Strange that when I see a person I never see the color of their skin, I only see a person. God made us alike and when we realize this the world will be a much better place. No hatred, no racism, just stop talking about it all the time. I just don’t understand it. Just stop the insanity!

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    • Dan -  September 8, 2016 - 9:43 am

      You said it!!!

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  16. are you real -  September 1, 2016 - 11:16 am

    I won’t stand for this crap. If we were taught the entire song I probably never would have stood. White people tend to think that slavery didn’t exist and that we came here happily to help them build the America we can’t live in. Here’s a little news flash for all you free thinking whites. If you don’t like it here why don’t you go back where you came from. Indians are the owners of this land and like most things – you think you see it and it should be yours. How the hell can you discover america when the Indians were already living here. No you stole America – like you stole black people from their homeland because your lazy forefathers were too damn lazy to do their own job.

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    • Urica -  September 2, 2016 - 6:40 pm

      Thank you!

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    • Me -  September 3, 2016 - 12:00 pm

      Some people were traded, not stolen…

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    • Key -  September 3, 2016 - 1:53 pm

      Wellllll!

      And the church said AMEN!

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    • Mark -  September 4, 2016 - 2:26 am

      Are you real, you should go back to Africa then. You want to call yourself African American? So, go back to Africa, if that’s where you were stolen from. I also suppose you’re about 250 years old, since you were stolen from Africa? I find it quite hypocritical of black people, that can clearly shoot 100 of you, in a single city, in a single weekend, and you don’t have two words to say. Your the racists in America. You’re the majority of the crime in America, yet you cry racism and blame white people for your actions. You contribute to your own races demise through your criminal actions, and the racism across the nation, by pushing your false narrative, that it’s everyone else’s fault, but your own. Your race, is the only race, making these claims and shouting from your pulpits. Your violent protests are becoming a label of the enemy in the oath that civil servants take to protect, both foreign and domestic. The continued violence will eventually earn the domestic badge. I don’t see how this narrative ends racism. It can only ensure it. Black people are free. All Americans are free. If everyone protested everything that happened in history, the whole world would be at war. I don’t think a race war benefits anyone, especially the black community, which only makes up 13% of the nation. Maybe the black community should focus on its own problems, in today’s world, instead of worrying about, and discussing what happened a couple hundred years ago. At this rate, it will take a thousand years to catch up to today’s issues. Slavery and racism will always be alive and well, as long as you keep feeding the narrative, and discussing the issues, and protesting the past. This is 2016, not 1814.

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      • Dan -  September 8, 2016 - 9:47 am

        Thank you mark!!!

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      • KingChris -  September 19, 2016 - 5:56 am

        are you for real? White Americans commit most crimes in this country, and the most war crimes in the world. Look no further than Korea, Vietnam, WW2. Black on Black crime is a major problem that is talked about and discussed all the time. Where have you been? why ignore the issues of racism and discrimination just it does not effect you or your race? why continue to ignore these issues?

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    • John Wrobrl -  September 5, 2016 - 12:20 am

      I’d go along with that purported solution if it would apply to EVERYONE.

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    • Bradley Tilbury -  September 5, 2016 - 10:42 am

      Well technically we didn’t “steal” black people from their homeland. We bought them. And also, no body alive today was apart of that.

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    • Aware -  September 5, 2016 - 2:59 pm

      You couldn’t have said it any better!

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  17. Lynda -  August 31, 2016 - 5:38 pm

    I would encourage everyone to read the facts about Francis Scott Key. Yes he “owned” slaves but he did so to help them. Also he fought for slaves freedom so much he got the name “the n____r lawyer” Seems like he wasn’t the total brut and ass everyone is making him out to be

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    • Tonya -  September 1, 2016 - 11:39 am

      Omg….He purchased slave(a human being) to help them….This is by far the most ridiculous comment I’ve EVER seen in my life…

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      • Simone Runyan -  September 3, 2016 - 6:47 pm

        Why is it so ridiculous? Think. Slavery was a fact of life. Key was not able to singlehandedly undermine the system. He did what he could to help.

        I don’t understand what everyone’s problem is with “hireling and slave.” It might be like me writing a song today about the working poor and those without health insurance. Referring to the political/social climate, even poetically as in this case, doesn’t mean I am promoting its values. Am I missing something? (Because this is obvious to me).

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    • Richard Chandler -  September 1, 2016 - 1:01 pm

      Uh, no. Francis Scott Key actively pursued and prosecuted abolitionists involved in the Underground Railroad.

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    • Robert -  September 1, 2016 - 8:27 pm

      He wanted them back from Great Britain, to put them in jail. Thank God they refused. Also no way that verse can be sung today. It must be taken out completely. The verse is self explanatory. No refuge can save the hireling and slave from the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave. This can not be sung, It is deplorable.

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    • rj -  September 2, 2016 - 6:25 am

      Lynda, you may want to read your facts again. No, he did not own slaves to ‘help them’. He owned them to profit off of them. Either way, the point is meaningless. Plenty of persons in those days did so. That is not the issue or the point. The issue is that no one will ever know the true interpretation of his writings, but suffice it say that it is suspect nonetheless. For years his ‘poem’ have been disputed by scholars that are white and black. But due to popularity and wide acceptance of his ‘poem’ it fell on deaf ears. Your defense of him and lack of effort to support what others may be feeling is exactly the kind of lack of regard for others thoughts we are dealing with today. The truth is that the song/poem should not be accepted today because of the culture and time in which it was written. Today’s freedom and climate is far different. And anything accepted as a NATIONAL ANTHEM should reflect our today, not our yesterday.

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      • M. -  September 5, 2016 - 4:49 am

        Thank you rj.

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    • In His Service -  September 3, 2016 - 1:32 pm

      You are mistaken. He owned slaves and did not do so to help them but for his own profit. I will say that he believed slaves should be treated humanely, if one human being owned by another can be classified as humane. There are plenty of records that document his opposition to abolition – he believed in the right to own slaves.

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    • Yahya Hassan -  September 5, 2016 - 12:12 pm

      Lynda, step into the shoes of a descendant of an African oppressed captive and imagine your white predessesors owned by a “good” Black man who held your captive ancestors to “protect” them. Give it a minute ……..take deep breath………..how does it feel? Do you think you would write the same thing.

      Your excusing oppression rather than condemning it is distasteful to us who live with the legacy ( the condition of institutional omnipresent racism we live with today) of that wicked institution which has morphed into a different ( and unrecognizable to some ) form of contemporary oppressive captivity. It is with us today. That is why we are talking. Oppression is live and well. The voice and opinion of the oppressed is ALWAYS condemned, denegrated, rediculed …..in this case on the false pretext of “honor – hollow as it may be ” or “patriatism – when Blsck soldiers have been lynched in USA uniform and not whimper”

      I am not saying you are wrong……..just inaccurate. It takes boiling activism to address such hideous practices. Luke warm or tepid water does not get your egg cooked. . . .it takes boiling action which Mr Key did not exemplify. It was from a tepid position that he took some heat allegedly as the n-word lawyer. Kudos for that. It would have been a goid start had he continued to a boiling change agent point. He did not.

      Thank you for your concern. This is a moral issue for which you must examine your heart to question whether you carry the “cross ” for freedom, justice and equality for the oppressed from whom you currently enjoy to a great degree the comforts if this nation or deny the issue like Judas or find yourself somewhere twixt in between. Nobody likes a fence sitter….the fence sitter is hated from both sides.

      Do you stand and rise for justice, freedom and equality in history and in the present? That is the relevant issue not excuses for “kindness” to people one oppresses.

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  18. soulifam -  August 31, 2016 - 10:39 am

    This conversation is ludicrous in asserting racism. Just because the word “slave” appears, it doesn’t mean the song is racist! Slavery was a matter of fact at the time and the song simply reflects that fact that no one in the colonies was safe from “the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave.” It isn’t making a judgement on the morality of slavery! What the hell is wrong with you?? Does everything have to degrade into victimization? My ancestors, the Irish, were persecuted, murdered, enslaved and abused beyond belief in America, and for centuries in the UK. So the hell what!!! I refuse to let either my ancestor’s past of even my own misgivings hold me back today! I have the power to succeed today!

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    • AnOpenMindedAmerican -  August 31, 2016 - 12:19 pm

      “And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
      That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
      A home and a Country should leave us no more?
      Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
      No refuge could save the hireling and slave
      From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
      And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
      O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.”

      I think that it can be interpreted differently depending on the context that you use to say it. And since none of us were there to hear the author write it or say it. We will never know the true context of how it is meant.

      “Their blood has washed out their foul foot steps.” It was Britain that was attacking us. So it is their foul foot steps.

      And they shelled the hell out of Fort McHenry for what sounds like 12+ hours. And unfortunately there were slaves back then.

      So “No refuge could save the hireling and slave
      From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,” meaning there weren’t many places to hide from the shelling so people died.

      Finally I would think that it is easy to assume that the Star spangled banner as we know it is shortened so that we aren’t standing there singing for ten minutes.

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      • hitman51 -  September 1, 2016 - 6:24 am

        So, why doesn’t it say something like
        “soldiers and hirelings so brave”?? lol.

        The justifications of the history of this nation are ludicrous.
        We’d have more respect for you if you simply owned it, said it was really wrong to build the wealth of one people on the backs of another
        Promise to fight against those who would try to continue the practices…
        And say sorry … so we can all move on.

        Know why we are mired in these problems? Because America simply REFUSES RESPONSIBILITY for it’s actions against an entire group of it’s own citizens… I’m not even angry anymore. I just lament for what we could have been … together….
        Peace
        May God have mercy on all our souls

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        • Coach -  September 1, 2016 - 11:33 am

          Well said!

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        • Randa -  September 2, 2016 - 3:12 pm

          No one on this thread have mentioned the fact that many blacks owned slaves. Does that mean we shouldn’t listen to the spirituals that the slaves past down.For goodness sake how the heck are we to progress if we don’t stop arguing about this history.No white person is standing for this anthem as agreement for slavery. 99.99999% of all people in US probably never heard or even knew about that stanza.People I know think of this as our national anthem,and the only stanza that we use conveys that spirit.I know that things aren’t great right now, but no one on this thread was a slave or a slave master.I am 69 years old and was around to hear MLK. and worked to help the cause of freedom. We are still arguing about the same issues.Oh and by the way , Im white, was poor growing up in age without foodstamps,housing,etc, I worked my way through college, by myself, and raised 4 children after my husband died at the age of 39.I never felt privileged, but I always glad I lived in a country that would reverse Jim Crow, make sure that blacks , could get into college and in general make a better life for themselves. I think I see a bunch of kids without a vision, burning stuff up to cause division, and all from one of the most evil human beings on the planet,George Soros, a wealthy white man. I just hope we can collectively get our acts together and make a better America for all , and specifically my 7 grandchildren, 3 of which are biracial, and one of which I ‘ m raising.

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        • King AW -  September 3, 2016 - 11:13 am

          That’s real

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        • Mark -  September 4, 2016 - 2:44 am

          Hitman51, when does the black community take responsibility for the level of crime they commit today? Why don’t they accept responsibility for living in and off welfare in so many communities, with no intention of getting out or off, yet conveniently blame white people? Why don’t they accept responsibility for killing each other? Why don’t they accept responsibility for turning their back on Martin Luther King and Malcolm X? Why don’t they accept responsibility for voting Democrat, which were the slave owners and against abolition, and use welfare as modern day enslavement? When does the black community accept responsibility for any of their transgressions? Funny how Hitler put millions of my people, white people to death, committing genocide, and not one word from us. Yet the 6% of black people brought to America, that were made to work, not tortured and killed, though many were, act like they suffered more than any race in history. They were not brought here and forced to endure the same torture that Hitler conducted. Check your history! More white people have suffered than black people. Greece, the original slaves. Roman Empire, white slaves. Irish! Jews! Polish! Exactly wtf is the point black people are trying to make? Because it appears to me they don’t know history.

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        • Gennie Martin -  September 4, 2016 - 10:35 am

          Agree fully.

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        • M. -  September 5, 2016 - 4:52 am

          Totally agree!

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      • Quentyn -  September 1, 2016 - 9:34 am

        No that’s not what it meant. Those lines are not referring to soldiers, they are referring to slaves, because at the time slavery was illegal in Britain and slaves were attempting to escape to the British side and the British were in fact harboring runaway slaves. So the line is in direct reference to slaves. Know your countries history before you try to whitewash it.

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      • Eyes wide open -  September 1, 2016 - 9:32 pm

        The British used escaped slaves to fight, so he met slave footsteps as well, after the war Britain was ordered to return the slaves, they refused, so I think I can safely guess the context he he meant, and I wasn’t there either

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      • M. -  September 5, 2016 - 4:51 am

        Really?

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    • Genius Bar -  August 31, 2016 - 3:03 pm

      Are you kidding me. This song is NOT for black people. It’s for white people. Stop playing. Act like you know this was done during slavery. When black people were considered property. I’m sure we are not singing about slaves. This song promotes violence

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    • Paul Ekezie -  August 31, 2016 - 3:47 pm

      soulifa I would believe you, but history (Not American Textbooks) prove that Scott Key was a slave owner and anti-abolishionist that lost to black slaves fighting for the British. Immediately after he boards a boat trying to free a hostage and sees the battle of Fort Henry since he could not leave after hearing of the British’s plans to attack the Fort.

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    • Hope -  August 31, 2016 - 4:34 pm

      You also have white skin, today. That alone gives you a pass from racial abuse, today.

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      • Terrell mcdonald -  September 1, 2016 - 10:28 am

        The white skin comment is an “uninformed statement” racism has and does happen to people of ANY color! We are ALL “people of Color”! Racism IS a terrible and despicable thing, but as I interpret from your comment you feel it doesn’t include people with white skin, the Irish, the Scots and many more have also “been slaves”! Know your history and don’t be “close minded” about racism effecting only you! It affects everyone and it will take everyone together to stop it!

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      • Kathy -  September 1, 2016 - 12:46 pm

        So what history are you referring to? Something you looked up on questionable and biased internet sites? That’s much more reliable, for sure?!?!?!?

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    • Hope -  August 31, 2016 - 4:35 pm

      You also have white skin, today. That alone gives you a pass from racial abuse, today.

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    • Thomas D -  August 31, 2016 - 8:03 pm

      For any individual to think that the star spangled banner was written for slaves.and to say it was just how it was then .which you just comment on..i’m quite sure..let’s make that 100%certain your family past and probably present are wanna be’s klan members…

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    • Anthony -  September 1, 2016 - 7:29 am

      “O’er the land of the free…” ?????

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    • tonyn -  September 1, 2016 - 9:04 am

      oh shut up!

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    • God7even -  September 1, 2016 - 11:30 am

      And that you do, you wetter given to the classification as white. You are no longer an Irishmen. You are white now.

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    • Sheila -  September 1, 2016 - 12:10 pm

      So true…. thank you for saying that.

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    • Richard Chandler -  September 1, 2016 - 1:03 pm

      That verse deals with slaves that fought for the British. The British promised to free any slave who fought for them against the Americans. Many slaves escaped and joined the British forces. Many died at Fort McHenry. Key writes in the third stanza how those slaves would die at the hands of American troops.

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    • Rob -  September 1, 2016 - 3:27 pm

      The slave flight hireling and grave bit is in reference to the slaves who defected. Who escaped to fight for the British in order to gain freedom.

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    • Les -  September 1, 2016 - 4:11 pm

      I believe the Irish and Jews cannot be identified 50 yards away and when they found out they could adjust accents, names and dress things appeared to get better in this none victim society you attest to.

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    • Rodney -  September 1, 2016 - 4:36 pm

      Correction Soulifam it said no slave or refuge would be safe from the terror or flight or gloom of the grave so basically it’s saying every slave and refuge would be killed tf

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    • John Que -  September 1, 2016 - 8:13 pm

      Did you really just say “Slavery was a matter of fact” to justify your point.. So that made it right and justified in your eyes?? Wow spelled backwards is wow.. Sounds like the oppressor tell the oppressed to get over your mistreatment.. That thinking is the reason why folk protest in the first place sir!

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    • Earl -  September 2, 2016 - 3:50 am

      This country was built on racism, I wish it had. And far as being Irish once the got to a America thing changed the jot control of union like the plumbers Union, electrical Union , the police force and Bing Irish in America had it advantages for sure.

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    • Cb123 -  September 2, 2016 - 4:19 am

      Irish were indentured servants, not slaves. Yes, the British tried to ethnically cleanse the Irish in the 1600s, but please don’t compare Irish Indentured servants to transatlantic chattel slavery. It’s ahistoric.

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    • Shezso0real@aim.com -  September 2, 2016 - 5:38 am

      In America, you have the complexion for protection.

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    • Tom Whitey -  September 2, 2016 - 7:13 am

      Easy to say that as a white man

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    • rj -  September 2, 2016 - 7:19 am

      Everybody knows it doesn’t mean a race or gender, but most people know it refers to America’s treatment of African Americans. Racism continues to explode because of what is being seen today. The Irish were unjustly persecuted, murdered, enslaved and abused. I agree with you and wish things were different. But, and this is a BIG BUT, they aren’t nearly persecuted, enslaved, and murdered TODAY as they were then. Every class of persons has been in some way unjustly handled – but to decry equality in abuse is absurd and totally negligent. Victimization?? who wants to intentionally cry that?? There may be a few but not a lot. We all have the power to succeed and I like that statement. But with success comes responsibility and the awareness of the inequities others are facing.

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    • Casey -  September 2, 2016 - 7:31 am

      Why do the Irish EVERYONE I know use thatvsame old we were mistreated story. Lol Do you realize more africans died in the middle passage than every war faught in the history of the WORLD. So much so almost haleay from Africa to north America a trail of sharks followed the slave ships. The Blacks in America are not immigrants, the only race that was abducted from their homeland. Everything isnt victimization somethings are facts.

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      • Dan -  September 8, 2016 - 10:06 am

        Then go home!!!

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    • Dee Blackmon -  September 2, 2016 - 9:57 am

      I totally agree!!! I’m sort of confused on how to interpret this myself. Didn’t even.know that it existed in all my 50 plus years. Learn something new everyday. But as u stated I will not let this defined who I am, but.for the record, as an Adult, I’ve never agreed with the words of the athem or pledge to the flag. This is not the land of.the.free nor is there liberty and justice for all. I can’t place my Hand over my Heart, and tell that lie!!! It’s too much injustice in the world right now. It’s a new lynching going on. They replace the rope with bullets. They traded the white hoods for blue uniforms!!! There no justice, it’s just us!!! It saddens me to the core.

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      • Y Hassan -  September 5, 2016 - 1:52 pm

        Dee, acknowledgement of your oppression is the FIRST step to freeing yourself and your people. We are only as free as the least free of us. As long as you are striving for freedom (not material stuff), justice (helping some one who needs help) and equality ( fair treatment of your self, family community and national group) you are winning and defining your self by where you are headed and what you have come through.

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    • Karin -  September 2, 2016 - 10:44 am

      @ soulifam. I’m sorry I forgot about how harshly the Irish are treated in today’s society. How hard it must be for you to be singled out because of your “Irishness”, ohh yeah that’s right you aren’t singled out or treated differently when you walk down the street because no one can tell your Irish! The flaw in your point is the persecution of the Irish has ended. Can you honestly argue that when you apply for a job,or get pulled over by the police that you will be treated equally as as black person? We have to face these prejudices that exist in our society and within ourselves, and talk about them honestly. It’s only then that we will truly judge a person not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

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    • Me -  September 2, 2016 - 9:51 pm

      Right, you have the power to succeed today because in 2016 America Irish people are basically considered white and are apart of the “Dominant White culture”. Black people are still black! And may i add those Irish were immigrants. The first Africans brought to America were slaves! And most likely those Irish immigrants yiu speak of also started to oppress black people, so they themselves would no longer be oppressed and forced to work for the lowest wages and live in the poorest conditions.. like the blacks were living. So once again, black people are still black and can’t use the “I’m white card” but really we all know America was built on racism. People should just accept the facts that it ruined opportunity and chances for numbers of people to provide and take care of their families the same as the “whites” did since they say all men were created equal. And this country supposedly stands for freedom, liberty and justice for all. So just because some people claim they have changed.. the damage has already been done. And todays ongoing racism still provides a constant uphill battle for the same families and generations of those same people that were oppressed back then.. mentally, physically, emotionally and financially. Some people still haven’t recovered from it. Especially with the current racism going on and people just “looking the other way” because its not them or their people being oppressed. And the “past mistake” of slavery (which by the way was not a mistake) being swept under the rug by so called “non-racist”

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    • Simone Runyan -  September 3, 2016 - 6:50 pm

      Applause

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    • Gennie Martin -  September 4, 2016 - 8:59 am

      Soulifam: The difference between you and I is that after the initial tough years you, your ancestors and your descendants, have all or will all be fully accepted, integrated and assimilated into the big, prosperous, privileged American family and melting pot. Lucky for you the Irish resembled the dominant group. Now we can’t distinguish between you folks of European ancestry. To date black families like mine, despite great effort have not been accepted or assimilated into this society. We are still suffering as a group, from the generational effects of the hundreds of years (and the discrimination and implicit racial bias is still on-going today) of physical, financial, emotional, psychological, educational, sociological….. TRAUMA and Abuse. We have been terribly hurt.

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    • Yahya Hassan -  September 5, 2016 - 1:20 pm

      Soulifam, your outrage is well deserved but misdirected. Well deserved in that the Irish have been mistreated. Misdirected in that it is not history that is holding oppressed people of color in America back……. it is the accummslive psycho-sociologoval affect (Post Truama Oppresion Syndrome ) over the generations, the broken ancestral heritage, wealth depletion, institutionally structired closed doors, higher costs, limited access to what is needed and over representing in all the negative socio-economic indices, etc that are anchored to us ….. and then we are told to swim.

      We must separate from those oppressive conditions of the past and present .That is not degrading into victimization it is upgrading the understanding of that victimization and who is victimizing. That separation starts with self determination in which WE determine what is best for us and how we express it. Sitting out the anthem if so determined.

      By the way, the Irish are the descendants of the Britons who stayed and Ancient Blacks who were driven south out and some absorbed onto the Irish society. That us how Irish get the red frizzy hair. Also the Irish in being pushed to the bottom of white society were used to do the dirty work of captive patrols for the white oppressors of the Africans. The slave police were heavily Irish who morphed from that to Municipal police in the big cities.

      So you and your people should know better than many others unless your predecessors hid that from you about the brutal treatment captive African suffered at the hands of the heavily Irish slave patrols.

      You should know better. If you do not know dont tell ANYONE thier oppresive legacy does not affect them…. it helps going forward learning the tricks and tactics of oppression. The oppressed in our fight for freedom , justice and equality are calling out the source (oppressor) of what victimizes usand are not ” degrade onto victimization ” issues of oppression. It is inhumane to deny a people the evaluation and identification of the source of thier oppression. That degrades the ability to to cut deeply into the source, means, tactics and strategies of oppression that infirm us how we rise out of that oppression.

      You of Irish descent should and can know better. Take a note or two from the oppressed on the bottom of the bottom. If you do not understand the oppression (it’s start, history and present factors) you are in you do not have a snow ball in hell chance to get out in tact and frozen. Don’t degrade calling out victimization -upgrade it to clearly calling out who is victimizing and what must be and how to rise beyond the grips of that oppression.

      Self determination and separation from the ill effects upgrades the ability to rise to victory. That is the best way moving forward.

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  19. Rashan -  August 31, 2016 - 7:46 am

    Is no one else bothered by the fact that this song clearly promotes violence against slaves and indentured servants? And then in the same breath claims that the US was land of the free and home of the brave?

    “No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.”

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    • soulifam -  August 31, 2016 - 10:30 am

      You clearly misunderstand the verse. It is saying there is nowhere for anyone–hireling or slave–to hide from the tyrannical assault of the enemy: “From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave…” It was a statement of fact that basically meant that all people were under threat of the Brits at the time.

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      • Evan -  August 31, 2016 - 11:43 am

        It’s actually referring to the slaves who took up arms with the British because they were promised freedom. It is stating that no slave will have refuge with the British and in fact will wind up in the grave for the decision they made.

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        • Kathy -  September 1, 2016 - 11:31 am

          Try reading the words without hatred in your heart for all white people. I cannot see the meaning you’re trying to impose. You may have black skin, but you are no more a slave than I am. Those words were also written at a different time in our history. Stop looking back and move forward. All this you’re saying is meant to divide people. It’s time to unite.

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          • In His Service -  September 3, 2016 - 1:11 pm

            Kathy,

            I don’t know if Evan commented before but the comment about the interpretation is correct. In addition, where did the hatred for white people come from? How does his interpretation of the verse infer hatred for whites? I interpret it as he does and I don’t hate anyone, even those who hate Black people. Those of us who state that racism exists do not attribute it to an entire race of people. There is systemic racism that exists in this country and to deny it is the reason why we have problems today. It is an ugly truth that some would like to “wish away” but that is not how it works. Ignoring it will not make it go away and insulting the victims of it will not either. I teach school and had a student suggest that our country would be better if we returned to slavery. Statistics based on research (past and present) demonstrate how institutions within our society systematically place minorities at an unequal standing with whites. Some white people acknowledge and working to change it, others prefer to pretend it does not exist. Those ignoring the problem are contributing to it – maybe not at the same level of those who are racist but are still part of the problem.

          • Yahya Hassan -  September 5, 2016 - 1:39 pm

            Kathy, you may be unknowingly using a racist/ white supremist tactic when you say to the oppressed to put your experience of oppression aside and “unite ” with you. You did not acknowlege the history of, your benefit of unearned and undeserved accumulstive benefits of centuries of slavery and oppresion, sincere apology and some statement for reparations to make up for the centuries of land stealing, injustice, terror, abuse, murder, rape ,etc. I did not read your coming half way or all the way to acknowledging the hate ( not of white people but of what white people do unjustly and thier system does) of continual oppression (police murders if unarmed and compliant victimd) and all the other symptoms of oppression although you may have hidden it in your heart and failed to write it.

            Unite?????? To get more of the same????

        • James Alexander,III -  September 2, 2016 - 5:13 am

          People must realize that slavery is of life! We can’t delete it, nor can. We hide it! In one form or another it is still happens every day! Stop the in equality, & all the BS that goes with it! Then we can heal our nation! Read Genesis in its entirety, it. Will enlighten you!

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        • Adm -  September 2, 2016 - 12:55 pm

          I’ll admit that there is inequality out there. But it’s vastly overreported in regards to disadvantaged blacks. What about Asian, Hispanic, and Native American inequalities? Why don’t we hear more stories about mistreated Hispanics?

          And just to play devil’s advocate, but couldn’t whites argue that they’re being oppressed by Affirmative Action? What about police brutality against whites? Cops kill more white people than black people every year.

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      • Allen -  August 31, 2016 - 12:06 pm

        Well first off the Hireling and Slave are one and the same. Slaves fled to the British side for exchange for work. Refuge is a to take shelter from pursuit and harm…

        Was Scott Key referring to slaves when we said 5 times O’re the land of the free and the home of the brave, we he himself owned slaves? If this song is the ground stone of this nation, why wasn’t it the Anthem from then on…. it didn’t become this countries anthem until 1931…..

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        • Haley -  August 31, 2016 - 3:42 pm

          The fact that is says slave is actually not talking about American Slaves. The Hireling (a person who is paid for menial work) the American slaves were hired by the British to fight against us as well as the British Navy KIDNAPPED people and FORCED them to fight for the British thus the slaves. This verse is simply stating the fact that no one could escape the war or death because of it. However people have it backwards and think that the word slave at this point is derogatory towards African slaves in the US. Slave (a person who is legal property of another and forced to obey them) There has been slaves of all nations and races yet in America the second someone hears the word slave they think of the African Slaves. They think of the white Americans hating the black Africans. They don’t think of the fact the it could not be about Americans or Africans once so ever, they don’t think of the fact that Africans sold their own people to the us to become slaves. They don’t think of the fact that later on there were FREED slaves FIGHTING FOR THE USA. They think instantly to negativity and demolish what we have fought for in our society instead of positively continuing to make it better.

          Sorry long rang got a little off topic. Tired of hearing people talk about slavery as if the only slavery that ever existed was African slaves owned by USA….

          Either way our national anthem is stating a fact of history, its not setting us back. Live with it learn from it cherish it or become a citizen of another country learn their history and do the same.

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          • Robert -  September 1, 2016 - 8:22 pm

            There is no way you could sing that verse today. The reason no one sings it, is because it is the most degrading verse ever. The US wanted Great Britain to give back the slaves, undoubtedly to jail them. Thank God Great Britain refused.

          • Barrie -  September 1, 2016 - 11:10 pm

            I’m seen as black but I have Irish and American Indian and European ancestors, as well as ancestors from the continent of Africa. But since you are probably seen as white and I am seen as black your ancestry isn’t going to affect your today …everyday life as much as mine is and that’s a fact of life. That’s not a choice I have made but it’s a choice that others have made simply because they judge me by the way that I look and actually I’m brown skin . The way I’m perceived starts with people and the way they look at me how they react to me ,what they expect of me. because you’re white you won’t be evaluated that way , which is usually in a negative way . maybe you don’t treat others that way but some people do. Just like the football player he’s even saying he’s not anti-military but there’s people who are boycotting him and saying that he’s anti-military and that’s not it at all. Okay people always want to bring up that Africans sold other Africans into slavery all countries usually have some sort of caste system but the slaves that were brought to America it was totally different situation than the Africans that were stayed on the continent of Africa and the people that came to America as slaves were only Africans, white people came as indentured servants and were allowed to earn their freedom after a short time . Indians ran away because they lived here and it was their land . so the Africans being slaves is totally different especially since we are still discriminated in this country simply because of our heritage. So again the people that are saying the football player who discriminate against the military so should we then say that the military agrees with slavery since it’s in the other lines of the song?

          • In His Service -  September 3, 2016 - 1:18 pm

            The problem, Haley, is that the consequences of that slavery still exist. Those who don’t experience it and tell others to “just get over it”, are part of the problem. But, discussion is happening and maybe that is a step in the right direction.

          • Gennie Martin -  September 4, 2016 - 10:17 am

            Haley: Instead, Maybe we will change this National Amthem to a more inclusive less violent one, where we are all free and the concept of the Nation that condoned slavery and the murder of said slaves, was abhorrent. Then you would get the opportunity to “Live with it, learn from it, cherish it” or (unless you are of Native American ancestry) become a citizen of (say) your ancestors’ country, learn their history and do the same. We did not choose to be here our ancestors were forced here under death threats, but now that we have worked hard (and for free) for over four hundred years, I believe we will stay.

        • Steve -  August 31, 2016 - 10:10 pm

          Now in America we can not express how we feel against certain things we don’t agree with. Is this AMERiCA were we are not free to express our disbelief not with things we do not agree with.

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      • Lynda -  August 31, 2016 - 5:13 pm

        Agreed

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      • Steve -  August 31, 2016 - 10:00 pm

        There is no misunderstanding, just close your eyes and just imagine how it would to be a slave.

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      • IbMerlin -  September 1, 2016 - 2:48 am

        I must disagree with you. The previous stanza is clearly about the British and their failed attempt.

        “And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
        That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
        A home and a Country should leave us no more?
        Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.”

        The British had promised the slaves freedom if they fought for them. The native Americans had also fought for them for pay and for promised land grants. There were also others fighting as Mercenaries. So if the previous stanza was about the Brits defeat then the next must be about what is going to happen to those that fought for them.

        “No refuge could save the hireling and slave
        From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
        And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
        O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.”

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        • Shawn Ivery -  September 3, 2016 - 7:31 pm

          Why was the verse removed. .?

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      • Anthony -  September 1, 2016 - 7:41 am

        Your interpretation is incorrect.
        “O’er the land of the free…”????

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        • Kathy -  September 1, 2016 - 11:34 am

          The war was about freedom, you know.

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          • In His Service -  September 3, 2016 - 1:28 pm

            No, the was about trade and conquests. The British were in support of the Native Americans and this was in conflict with the interest of the New America. The Brits also were preventing the New America from extending or taking over Canadian country. In addition, the New America opposed the trade sanctions implemented by the Brits who were in conflict with France.

            Now, some took advantage of the war to attain freedom – slaves. They were offered money and freedom to join the British in the fight. That verse was a pronunciation of what would happen to the predominantly black slaves and the hired Native Americans and free Black men who joined the British against the New America.

          • Y Hassan -  September 5, 2016 - 1:55 pm

            Freedom for “whites only”

      • sibbie -  September 1, 2016 - 9:02 am

        Amen,, HIRELING meaning the soldiers.. yes they paid to fight and SLAVE meaning the servants which was there to clean, cook, etc. all those at the Fort was under attack.

        Home of the free meaning free from the British rule.

        Come on my people read and study before you jump to a racial conclusion

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      • GetItRight -  September 1, 2016 - 12:52 pm

        Slaves joined the British to fight against the colonies because slavery was illegal in the U.K. This song is celebrating the death of those slaves in the 3rd verse. So take it how you want, it this is documented in our history as a country.

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      • Eyes wide open -  September 1, 2016 - 9:50 pm

        The thing is, they conveniently stopped at the second verse, before any of his true feelings were written, its expected though, that a person who never faced racism will always find some way to try and rationalize a racial statement, doesn’t matter if it was 200 years ago or last night, and that’s some truth for you there

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      • Gennie Martin -  September 4, 2016 - 9:22 am

        Some slaves and hirelings were helping the Brits fight their masters the Americans, with the promise of freedom as their reward. No mention of slave owners and other such privileged persons needing to hide from the tyrannical assault of the enemy. Especially as this was the group the enemy was after, I wonder why this is so. Seems to me that this writer who was a slave owner, was celebrating the capture and murder of slaves who were fighting for their freedom. But you go right ahead and convince yourself of what is convenient for you to believe. Meanwhile, I will base my opinions on the facts.

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    • Oldblackguy -  August 31, 2016 - 11:16 pm

      I live in the state of Kentucky everytime I hear the song My Old Kentucky Home sung by a lot of white people it turns my stomach. Then when I see it sung by black people I wonder if they know what the song means.

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    • cherry -  September 5, 2016 - 6:51 am

      Exactly. The land of the free………meaning the land belonged to whites, thus the song being written for whites.

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  20. Bob -  August 31, 2016 - 5:15 am

    Look into the history of the writing of the poem by Key and it true reason for it. And the Battle of Baltmore during the War of 1812. It was written during the time of slavery in America. He was held capture by the British who employed former American Blacks slaves as free men called the “Corps of Cononial Marines”. Key was not a kind man. He hated those black guards and the bombing of the port of Baltimore. Saw many of them die along with others, That where he wrote the poem for that reason. He openly celebrates the murder of slaves. Key came from a generations of palntation-owners who employed slaves. He was a lawyer in DC at the time and fought for slavery and against Abolitionists every chace he had. Then again understand it took was not till 1931 where a short beginning coverted version was made into a song or Banner. If you look at the poem in it full contents possible you understand why the rest was not used. The poem was written of hate that turn into of Banner of honor. Strange may it seems. Whatever spin you want to make of it. Take it at face value what it being used for today.

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    • Jacob Kirtley -  August 31, 2016 - 11:31 am

      Incorrect. He was referring to British troops as slaves to the monarchy. It’s well documented. Also, if what you say is true, why did abolitionists and radical republicans not mind the Star Spangled Banner when it was played on the white house throughout 1861? Or why did famed former slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglas loved playing the tune on his violin, and was devoted to the American flag as a symbol of freedom to all peoples?

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      • In His Service -  September 3, 2016 - 1:48 pm

        A symbol of freedom for all people? Are you kidding? Do you know when the 13th Amendment freeing black people was passed? Do you know how long people – black and white fought after the 13th Amendment was passed to actually see that freedom come take place? Do you know how many black people (and some whites who tried to help them) were lynched after they received their “freedom”?

        He has a right to protest this “anthem” to bring awareness, discussion, and solution to racial injustices in this country. Many, many died to see the end to slavery and racism in this country and the rest of us have a responsibility to do what we can to make sure it is a country where all are free and receive justice.

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    • IM JUST SAYING -  August 31, 2016 - 12:38 pm

      Very True, history is what it is or in some cases….for those who don’t know history, it becomes his-story. I tend to not respond on social topics, but I have told people for many years about this chopped-up version we have come to embrace.
      I’m a 12 year veteran, and I feel as a Patriot we should allow Collin K. to protest in a non-violent way. Since when do America force feed its citizens? He will be black balled because he struck the nerve of some people….He protested in a peaceful manner, no one got hurt, nor did the city have to rebuild after destruction. You don’t have to agree with him, but you should respect his decision to stand-up for what he believes in, right, wrong or indifferent.

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      • Blanca Barela -  September 1, 2016 - 7:13 pm

        I agree, his right to his expression, which didn’t hurt any one

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      • Tyd -  September 3, 2016 - 1:07 pm

        I love the dialogue. We just need a couple more racists to join the discussion.

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    • Scott -  August 31, 2016 - 7:42 pm

      The verse in question is very simple. Written in the prose of the era, simply stated a bullet, mortar, IED,etc does not discriminate between rich,middle class or poor. These same munitions do not care if you are man, woman, child, or animal. Munitons do not care if you are Black, Brown, Red,Yellow Blue or White.

      The number one rule in war every veteran knows too well is this: Rule number one, Young people die. Rule number two, There is not much that changes rule number one.

      That’s all it calls reference to folks, nothing more to it than that.

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    • Kathy -  September 1, 2016 - 11:37 am

      This was a time of war. The slaves and others who fought for the enemy, became the enemy. Isn’t that a part of war. I wish people would stop seeing everything in history as oppression. It was LIFE at that time in history. We the people, lived and learned.

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      • In His Service -  September 3, 2016 - 1:53 pm

        I hear what you are saying but if the bullet were simply a bullet and the enemy simply the enemy, why distinguish between the soldier, the hireling, and the slave?

        He specifically pointed out that the those who left to join the British (slaves as well as Native Americans and free Black men) would not be able to escape terror and death. Why point out their status?

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  21. Angela Destiny -  August 31, 2016 - 4:05 am

    If you’re not AFRICAN AMERICAN then you may stand their and place your hand on your hearts til judgement day! I WILL NEVER SING, STAND NOR PLACE MY HAND ON MY HEART FOR SUCH TRASH! YOU PEOPLE NEED TO USE YOUR BAINS AND RESEARCH FOR YOURSEMVES; NOT BLINDLY CONTINUED TO DO THINGS THAT WERE MEANT TO OFFEND OR DISRESPECT AN ENTIRE ETHNIC GROUP! I COMMEND THE ATHLETE FOR HIS COURAGE TO FIGHT AGAINST ONGOING INJUSTICES IN AMERIKKKA!

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    • Jacob Kirtley -  August 31, 2016 - 11:32 am

      Incorrect. He was referring to British troops as slaves to the monarchy. It’s well documented. Also, if what you say is true, why did abolitionists and radical republicans not mind the Star Spangled Banner when it was played on the white house throughout 1861? Or why did famed former slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglas loved playing the tune on his violin, and was devoted to the American flag as a symbol of freedom to all peoples?

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      • Richard Chandler -  September 1, 2016 - 1:07 pm

        Well documented? Well then it should be easy for you to cite this “documentation’” no?

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      • In His Service -  September 3, 2016 - 1:59 pm

        How do you know they did not mind? How do you know what Douglas loved? Black people, even those who were free, often did what they disliked to live. The American flag was a symbol of freedom for white men – white women were not even free – they belonged to white men; however, they did have a higher status than Blacks or Native Americans. Slaves had not been emancipated at that time and even after slavery was abolished, black people were not treated as equal to whites. That is well-documented – ignoring or sugar coating history will not change it.

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    • Darrell -  August 31, 2016 - 11:47 am

      Why dont you leave the country then?

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      • Ray -  August 31, 2016 - 5:10 pm

        Stupid has no bounds

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      • Whimsy -  August 31, 2016 - 8:22 pm

        Because it is our country and we have a right to speak out against injustice, or anything else we think is wrong with this country. If you don’t like our rights (it seems you don’t know them) perhaps you should leave. Your comment makes you look… simple.

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        • Kathy -  September 1, 2016 - 11:45 am

          While your words make you look…uneducated. The freedom we all enjoy has come at great cost to men and women of all colors, and who fought for a lot of different reasons. Your closed minded view of “freedom” is ridiculously…simple. This time in history was a time of learning how and for whom freedom would be defined. You are viewing history through the eyes of hatred for all Americans who believe differently than you. Sound familiar??? EVERY American has that same freedom to express their beliefs…not only black Americans.

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      • Anonymous -  September 1, 2016 - 4:01 am

        Blame that on your ancestors because they were the ones who bought our ancestors over here!!!!

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      • Bermudajo -  September 1, 2016 - 9:33 pm

        Why don’t we all leave and give it back to the American Indians. Let’s not forget what was done to them.
        Pure and utter evil.

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      • Barrie -  September 1, 2016 - 11:17 pm

        Why is it if we don’t agree with something . Exspecially if we’re saying that something is racism or unjust then and we don’t like it then we have to leave the country . Isn’t that what the country is about ? he right to have freedom to express yourself so again you’re trying to deny us our freedom by saying leave the country . This country was built on disagreement we disagreed with the British so we started our own country. I say we. But my people would have been slaves back then,but we helped make this country what it is today.So why do we have to leave the country everything that we do here in this country isn’t right and there’s plenty of people white people that protest stuff, burn flags and they don’t have to leave the country.

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    • Anthony -  August 31, 2016 - 5:19 pm

      You’re an idiot if you think the national anthem was written to specifically offend or disrespect black people.

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      • Look -  September 1, 2016 - 11:23 pm

        You’re an idiot if you don’t realize how offensive those lyrics are and that’s probably why they don’t sing the rest of them . but now I think about it we have a national anthem that says that one line there slaves in this country and the next line is the home of the land of the free and the brave. that “free” parr definitely doesn’t seem to meet the definition of slavery now does it??

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      • In His Service -  September 3, 2016 - 2:07 pm

        I don’t think the point is that it was written to specifically disrespect or offend black people but it can still be offensive when it is held up as this nation’s anthem.

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    • Sarah -  August 31, 2016 - 8:08 pm

      I wish there was a like button for your reply, Angela! People need to educate themselves.. Put their critical thinking cap on apparently.

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    • Henry -  September 1, 2016 - 4:59 am

      Very sad. You should probably leave this country, since you hate our values and freedoms that so many died fighting for and still defend today.
      If you ever have a chance to study poetry and history, you may have a better understanding. We will never truly know what Francis Scott Key felt or meant while writing, as we were not there. We can only try to interpret. He was supposedly writing what he SAW during and after the battle, so that would allow us to assume it was more objective, historical (“bombs bursting in air…flag was still there”). Just because he mentions slaves, doesn’t make it bad. It was fact. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave/ From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave.” If you analyze these statements, you may find that he was observing the imminent death of slaves, as “no refuge could save” them. No safe hiding, not even flight… from “the gloom of the grave.” Gloom is not a happy word for death, rather tragic. To interpret this as racist is misplacing your own feelings into the poem, or a very superficial reading.
      We chose the best stanza from a poem that reflected a country that was fighting through tremendous hardships to obtain freedoms… Freedoms which you enjoy everyday.

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      • Nick -  September 1, 2016 - 1:45 pm

        Freedoms we only got a few years ago. The playing field is still not level. Probably never will be.

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    • Christina -  September 1, 2016 - 8:46 am

      First of all, it’s there not their, brains not bains, and America isn’t spelled Amerikki. Go back to school. You do know there are schools just for African Americans, right? Secondly, what about your disrespect for other ethnic groups. It’s alright for you but not for us, right?

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      • Y Hassan -  September 5, 2016 - 1:57 pm

        Dee, acknowledgement of your oppression is the FIRST step to freeing yourself and your people. We are only as free as the least free of us. As long as you are striving for freedom (not material stuff), justice (helping some one who needs help) and equality ( fair treatment of your self, family community and national group) you are winning and defining your self by where you are headed and what you have come through.

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    • Nivek -  September 9, 2016 - 10:48 am

      I think you might have hit you caps lock. and it’s America. I get it autocorrect. I gots you “bruh”

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  22. jim -  June 29, 2016 - 9:14 pm

    Why do people put their hands over their hearts when the Star Spangled Banner is played? It is an anthem. Not a pledge. Put your hand over your heart for the Pledge of Allegiance. Not the SSB.

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    • Nina Rose -  July 1, 2016 - 2:06 pm

      Keeping the star bangle flag close to your heart, as in swearing, promising to honor your country, defend, protect

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      • Adam -  July 28, 2016 - 1:46 pm

        Star bangle flag?

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        • Desert Tripper -  August 28, 2016 - 5:47 pm

          Does that mean the new national anthem should be “Manic Monday?”

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        • Gwen -  August 29, 2016 - 11:36 am

          Hi! The phrase is star spangled flag.

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      • Nick -  September 1, 2016 - 1:48 pm

        Did you defend and protect?

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    • Ja -  July 2, 2016 - 9:34 pm

      For what it is worth, it is part of the Flag Code to stand with your hand over your heart while the flag passes, the Pledge of Allegiance and during the National Anthem.

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      • kitkatzmom -  August 30, 2016 - 12:47 pm

        and THEREIN LIES ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS, respect and honor is not taught any more & hasn’t been for decades… AND WE ARE NOW PAYING THE PRICE FOR IT! The “Flag Code” is not taught, nor is our flag held in high regard like it USED TO BE… LIKE IT SHOULD BE… and AGAIN, WE ARE NOW PAYING THE PRICE FOR IT! The last couple of generations have been so self-absorbed they cannot be BOTHERED to teach these important life lessons and why they are the BASIS of important life lessons. They were NOT taught to respect their elders or even to respect authority, for that matter. As a result, they have not learned the importance of honor and respect; and unfortunately, they do not even understand the MEANINGS OF THE WORDS!!!

        It is a SAD, SLIPPERY SLOPE WE ARE HEADED DOWN!

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        • Demi -  August 30, 2016 - 11:18 pm

          What are your thoughts regarding the lines about slaves?
          Just curious…

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        • Dla -  August 30, 2016 - 11:37 pm

          Unlike your ignorance. There is a special kind of stupid no one can argue or even debate with. We can only acknowledge and move on. Hopefully we will breed it out, justa few more generations.

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          • Kathy -  September 1, 2016 - 11:49 am

            Your comment cuts both ways.

        • Sara -  August 31, 2016 - 12:01 pm

          Children have been taught lies and cover-ups not history as it happened. Take this song for example. No one was taught that it was a racist hate poem before a racist Woodrow Wilson signed it to be the National Anthem and much later Congress passed it into being.

          It is shameful and wrong. Tell me what there is to respect about that?

          Children have been taught that in America everyone can and is treated equal. Really? The European Settlers came here and ravaged the indigenous tribes to the point of murder and torture for the sake of stealing the wealth that was in the ground. They wanted a place where they could be free to govern themselves, free to worship and think as they wished,

          So they conquered and enslaved and raped and killed the people that were already here. How is that something to be proud of. The government since its conception has broken treaty after treaty that they wrote and forced the Natives to sign in the first place. They waged war and continue to do so under the guise of helping the “savages” to become God fearing Christians.

          The African, Irish andChinese immigrants were also treated as though they were lesser human beings than the governing whites. Is this something Americans should be proud of or have any respect for? The current state of affairs in America show very little for citizens to be proud of either so just when and what is it that parents should be teaching their children, lies or the embarrassing truth? Either way, respect just doesn’t fit into the lesson.

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          • Scott -  August 31, 2016 - 7:57 pm

            I can sense a level of frustration in your rant,therefore it is understandable how one who was never taught the concept could be confused how they should pass said concept along to their children.

          • Rikh -  August 31, 2016 - 9:48 pm

            Well said.

          • TNT -  September 1, 2016 - 8:12 am

            ….and the respect for our military? Have you any? The song is now known as a sign of respect for our brothers and sisters in arms. It has CHANGED MEANING because no one WANTS to condone slavery; they want to be rid of it and remember that we are all created equally, with unalienable rights. Of course, that is impossible though, simply because of people like you who keep “beating a dead horse”. It all has to do with perspective, and with your character. We can clearly see that something you call “lies”, and “cover-ups”, I call as a laughable disgrace to Francis Scott Key (btw… if you attended any school in the USA, they would have taught you everything there is to know about all of this, probably where I heard it from as I actually paid attention in class). If he actually WAS a person of hate, and wrote that in hate, then how funny is it that people took his work and made it their own? If you were to write something – spend time on it carefully and with passion – then a bunch of people came in and took what you wrote and changed it to oppose YOUR meaning of it, what would you say then? But most people do not see things that way because they only look for the bad in everything. It is sad, really. YOU are sad; take an antidepressant every now and then, it might change your views of the world.

          • Disappointed -  September 1, 2016 - 8:34 am

            The most painful thing is to watch you all go at each other over a poem. My Hebrew heritage stems from the beginning, very easily I could point fingers at ALL my African brothers and sisters out there who’s heritage enslaved my people for hundreds of years, but what does that do for us? NOTHING!

            Don’t forget, no never forget where your people came from, but stop beating each other over the head hate and try to build a bridge for our children’s sake.

            I am married (10yrs) to a wonderful and beautiful black woman and we have 4 kids. We the adults are the one’s either poisoning our kids minds or renewing their minds, NOBODY is born bias, prejudice, or racist.

            It might sound corny, but One who cared for us all, came and gave His life so we could be FREE, truly FREE.

          • Kathy -  September 1, 2016 - 12:05 pm

            Since you have no respect, I can understand your inability to understand it. History is history…for better or worse. We can’t change it, we must learn from it and move forward. Your calling historical people racist just because they were white. You present nothing to back up you words of hate, so I must assume you are just ignorant of the facts, and are just spouting the racist statements you’ve heard or read from other racist hate mongers. None of you have any ideas for what could be done to change history because there are none. You prefer to hold on to the hateful part of our history so you can rant against white Americans in a day when there is no longer slavery, or rampant racism. Yes, it still exists, but it is no longer the widespread norm. You want to act as if you’re still being abused. Most of you are not. On a daily basis you live your lives pretty much like every other American….you get out if your life what you put into it. It’s time to either do something to make America a better place for all Americans, or at least if you’re going to do nothing, at least stop promoting hatred and divisiveness. Yes, I know you have the “right and the freedom” to promote hatred and divisiveness, but I don’t understand why you want to exercise that particular freedom.

          • Barrie -  September 1, 2016 - 11:37 pm

            You seem to understand actually what has happened. . It wasn’t a rant . Also appear to have been talk a lot which I don’t understand why that Scott person would say that . Like a lot of other things we have put putt a lot of value on this song and there are some definite problems with the history of this nation and the writing of this song and what we use it as today. Someone said they studied the song in school.We sang the song but no we didn’t break it down and study it we just accepted it as our national anthem. Maybe in college but they don’t break stuff down like this usually in high school in America .Tnt. Doesn’t make any sense at all thst person contradicts themselves. says we can’t get rid of the past and all have our inalienable rights.

        • Jackie -  August 31, 2016 - 6:24 pm

          Kitkatzmom, not everything is worthy of respect. If I called you all kinds of abusive names and demanded you to respect me you would not. So why should anyone have to respect an anthem that clearly disrespects a whole ethnic race??? It’s called using your brain and thinking for yourself, and not stepping and fetching like a dog who has no sense.

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          • Kathy -  September 1, 2016 - 12:13 pm

            Jackie, you do exactly that. Paint all white Anericans with the same brush of racism and slave owners who “owe you something,” though I’m not sure what that is. Most white Americans give people if other skin colors the respect they show other white people, but you only want to talk about the racism is the past. I know some racism still exists, but so does an unreasonable hatred of black Americans for all white peoples. That will probably never change, but you never speak if the majority of white Anericans who work alongside you and show you respect every day. The least you can do is be honest, and show some balance in your words, instead of constant racial hate speeches.

          • In His Service -  September 3, 2016 - 2:27 pm

            Kathy,

            Jackie did not paint all white Americans as anything! Some people get upset about the discussion of racism because they feel attacked but if you are not racist, it does not apply to you. On the other hand, just because you are not racist does not mean racism does not exist. The KKK has the right to solicit members, meet, and even hold public assemblies. Why can’t this young man sit down as a symbol of what he believes? His stand against a song that he believes does not represent the true desire for America does not mean he does not love his country – it may mean that he wants America to be the land of people that we say we are.

            I have heard people say that slavery is in the past – slavery is no longer legal but the ramifications and systemic injustices still exist; ignoring them will not make them go away.

      • Larry -  August 30, 2016 - 3:51 pm

        I’m pretty sure the post was referring to placing one’s hand over one’s heart while standing, facing the flag, during the playing of the National Anthem, as most of us do just prior to sporting events.

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      • Mosimoon -  August 31, 2016 - 9:36 am

        A code by who. Who says it’s a code and that you should stand and place your hand over your heart.

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      • MNM -  August 31, 2016 - 10:01 am

        This is NOT totally correct….Placing the hand over your heart came into play when Ronald Reagan started doing it. And the rest followed suit.

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    • TB -  July 3, 2016 - 1:58 pm

      You don’t put your hand over your heart or salute just for the song but you do when the flag is present.

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    • Chris -  July 3, 2016 - 9:49 pm

      36 U.S. Code § 301 – National anthem

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    • Chris -  July 3, 2016 - 9:51 pm

      Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
      (1) when the flag is displayed—
      (A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
      (B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
      (C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
      (2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

      It’s a free country, you don’t HAVE to do anything but i’s just out of respect

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      • Bob -  August 28, 2016 - 9:14 am

        Hand over your heart during the national anthem was added to the code in 2008. Probably due the so many confused people putting their hands over their heart. Sheep mentality, a lot of people were doing, so let’s just add it to the code. Bottom line just show respect period.

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        • Queeny -  August 29, 2016 - 8:56 pm

          Respect to a republic that still has two standards of justice and entitlements in this country. The anthem celebrates oppression and murder. A continuous of how the four father’s raped, pillaged and murder the true Americas of this country. Stop making excuses and confront who we are. The best lie is the you keep telling yourself… We are not a just nation.

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          • Peacemaker -  August 30, 2016 - 8:26 pm

            Thank you Queeny….as she drops the mike to the floor!

          • Chuck -  August 30, 2016 - 9:34 pm

            Those damn Four Father’s! Always raping, pillaging and murdering! It’s so Continuous!

          • Debbie -  August 30, 2016 - 11:25 pm

            I think you meant to say “fore fathers.” It means the fathers who came before us. Four is a number, and we certainly had many more than four founding fathers, given that each of the 13 colonies sent several delegates to the Continental Congress. Eventually, they were the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence.

          • Rick -  August 31, 2016 - 12:38 pm

            Funny how people say “race” when it says slaves. What about the Irish slavery, ever hear about that? Where is the outcry from the slavery of today in the middle east? What? Silence? I don’t recall ever hearing the third stanza at any event that the Star Spangled Banner was played.

          • Divine P. -  September 1, 2016 - 3:26 am

            Totally Agree..

      • Shannon Obrien -  August 28, 2016 - 12:34 pm

        I was glad to see someone who still knows what respect is! It seems that word and more importantly the act itself have become lost in this day of me me me me!!! So many seem have forgotten or neglected to demonstrate to younger generations how to give show and also earn respect of self and of others! Any way glad to see there are still ppl who get it!!!

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        • Jeremy Martin -  August 30, 2016 - 5:35 pm

          Woman, respect what? The enslavement of a race? Rape? Murder? Homosexuality? Enscest? Hugh? Which smh

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          • Ann wallis -  September 4, 2016 - 11:32 am

            Woman? Now that sounds like sexism. Also a bit of assumption since Shannon can be a man’s name as well. If you want to make a change take a look at your selves and make a change..

      • Mosimoon -  August 31, 2016 - 9:39 am

        That’s for arms forces only. Not that normal America. You don’t have to do it.

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    • David -  July 4, 2016 - 6:13 am

      Actually, it is the law that civilians face the flag, if present, or the musicians, if the flag is not present, and place their hand over their heart.

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      • Steve Thomas -  August 29, 2016 - 2:58 pm

        What law is that? And what is the penalty for breaking this law.

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        • B. Warnecke -  August 30, 2016 - 2:08 pm

          The key word is “Should” in the code. “Must” and “Shall” words not part of the code verbiage. Not a law.

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          • Dla -  August 30, 2016 - 11:44 pm

            The law has been overturned and upheld in the highest court of the land. No one is required to stand, put their hand over their heart, remove sny head covering or anything. Jehovah’s witnesses fought it to the highest court and won. You dont grand freedom and then infringe apon it. Live and let live!

      • Brad -  August 30, 2016 - 9:01 pm

        I don’t believe that is actually a “Law” of any kind. And there is not a fine or type of punishment attached to this action mainly due to the fact it’s not illegal and not punishable.

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      • Roxi -  August 31, 2016 - 6:49 am

        The law where? Nazi Germany?

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      • Mosimoon -  August 31, 2016 - 9:41 am

        David that’s not a law. It is only for armed forces to do that. Not civilians

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    • anonymous -  July 4, 2016 - 2:55 pm

      america pluck yeahh

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    • Gwen Baggett -  July 4, 2016 - 7:20 pm

      Jim, people put their hands over their hearts for many reasons other than when pledging something. In the case of the SBB, it is something as simple as meaning that it comes from one’s heart, or that it touches one’s heart, or even that they love the country about which they’re singing.

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    • PhilipLock -  July 20, 2016 - 9:28 am

      I agree with you Jim – no disrespect to your country, but hand on heart becomes nothing in meaning if it is done with any song or anthem with the name America in it!
      It is a rare occasion in the UK to put hand on heart during an “anthem”.
      I could go on about “code of honour” in the UK but it would be useless to explain – after all we have been around for thousands of years – not hundreds!!
      We had the evil barons killing and stealing over a 1500 years ago – your evil “barons” killed innocent settlers for their lands and money and the lands they stole about 150 years ago left these people either dead or destitute and the robbers descendants are now powerful and rich multi millionaires in the senate [and presidents!] and business corporations and still as corrupt as their forebears!
      God bless free America – what a joke!

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      • Tony Ricardo -  August 24, 2016 - 4:25 am

        I am assuming from your comments Philiplock that you are English. I was born in South America and have lived in England for 52 years and I have never come across a more arrogant, hypocritical, aggressive and obnoxious nation than the English/British. You are having a go at the Americans, what about the murders, rape and plunder that the British have committed over the centuries on almost every country on the planet, and have never said sorry once or have never show any regret for all the atrocities they have committed. Why don’t they teach the so called British Empire history in their schools, instead of cramming Henry the eight down you? Surely they are not ashamed of the devastation they committed in Africa by selling the African people into slavery to the Americas? This is just one tiny example!

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        • Only American -  August 27, 2016 - 11:47 am

          Yes Everything Tony is saying is true. But why Philiplock do you even try to dis us for what we have done? We take you British folk for examples, meaning we like to copy you. So what? We are both equal people.. So why do you care???We did bad stuff, you did bad stuff, But we are a team now!!! We don’t need to reflect on our pass

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        • Adrienne -  August 30, 2016 - 5:39 pm

          Then you should know that BLACK people sold blacks for slaves in Africa!

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          • Divine P. -  September 1, 2016 - 3:36 am

            You people are so irrational, yes Africans sold Africans in servitude not into the brutality of chattel slavery. Big difference. My issue is Slavery happened but everyone want the world to forget it….. but no one ever says for get the Jewish Holocaust, 6 million deaths vs 400 million death of the Atlantic Slave trades alone…. of yeah it never happend…..im so free….BullS $#t!

        • Phil Drane -  August 31, 2016 - 3:41 am

          Dear Tony, Sweeping generalisations apart, the slave trade was not begun by the British rich and powerful and neither were they the only perpetrators. French, Portuguese and even Spanish traders and exploiters, whose ancestors went on to discover and conquer most of Central & South America including Argentina were actively engaged. The actions of the few rich and powerful do not make all British, Spanish, Portuguese or Argentinian people bad – just exploited.
          I wonder why you have such a low opinion of “the English/ British” and yet you have lived there for 52 years?

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          • Sara -  August 31, 2016 - 12:17 pm

            I think Tony’s point was that the Brit who posted the comment shouldn’t be dissing America when in fact England or Great Britain has been guilty of worse infractions for far longer. It is known that the other countries have also had their time of raping and pillaging.

            So it seems that it is simply human nature in most cases to be violent and overbearing. hmmm perhaps we should all work to change that along with the “we are better than you” egocentric and horribly greedy attitudes of man.

        • Nathan Schmitt -  August 31, 2016 - 3:41 pm

          There are so many history lessons here, but no one is really digging deep enough into it. This a very young country that spawns from a diverse group of people. Let’s talk slaves…how many years did slavery take place in the America that we know today? A few couple hundred? Yes, we can all agree that was too long. How many years were slaves incorporated into other countries? Goes back thousands of years. How many countries still have slaves? It’s not right, but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. HUMANS have enslaved HUMANS since the beginning of time. For the country that we live in now, slavery was short lived.

          Oppressed? I dare anyone to disrespect their county living somewhere else. You will find yourself imprisoned or dead. History can’t change…but there is a reason that those lyrics were omitted. It’s just not applicable in today’s world. The words that are said/sung now, don’t mean the same thing as they did 200 yrs ago. As Americans, we have have done terrible and horrific things to people…but living in the past is only going to prolong any kind of advancement. As a whole, we can’t even grasp the concept of oppression. Now let’s ask North Korea, Russia, China and Isreal what oppression really is…or even Africa for that matter.

          There will always be controversy surrounding our government and and the state that we live in. But if you hate where you live and what we stand for, that is your right…but it is also your right to get the f**k out. Go be happy somewhere else. I guarantee that your “freedom” will be the last thing on their minds.

          Living in the past will not change the future…only learning from the past will do that.

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      • Janice Terona -  August 28, 2016 - 3:37 pm

        A Black person singing and pledging to this song is a joke ! Most do not even know of that third verse ! It’s disgusting and a racist slur !

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        • Agreed -  August 29, 2016 - 11:57 am

          Agrred

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          • Scott -  August 31, 2016 - 8:07 pm

            I’m a red person. Does that count?

        • SpiffySpifferton -  August 29, 2016 - 8:01 pm

          Wow, you do understand that Francis Scott Key’s “hireling and slave” lines were referring to British mercenaries and freed/captured slaves who were fighting WITH the British either for pay or in promise of freedom, in either case, they joined our enemies and fought against our Nation. A Nation founded on the principle that all men are created equal – even if that principal hadn’t been fully realized yet.

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          • Sarah robinson -  August 30, 2016 - 9:36 am

            Spiffy,Spiffy,Spiffy….
            The former slaves were fighting with a country where they could be free against a country where they were enslaved. And yet you castigate them for acting in their best interests.
            Wow Spiffy.
            You yourself admit that freedom and equality had not yet been achieved at the time of the battle or composing of the song.
            So the former slavrs should have fought for the side that wanted to keep them in bondage????
            Spiffy, Spiffy, Spiffy!!!

          • joe -  August 30, 2016 - 9:49 am

            You do not know your history very well, sir. The Declaration of Independence was written by slave holders so how could their founding principle be that all men are created equal. Francis Scott Key was a racist, and this is not only seen in his poem, but in his actions both as a lawyers and in his religious practices. Please educate yourself. Why would a slave first for his slave master unless he was forced?

          • joe -  August 30, 2016 - 9:49 am

            You do not know your history very well, sir. The Declaration of Independence was written by slave holders so how could their founding principle be that all men are created equal. Francis Scott Key was a racist, and this is not only seen in his poem, but in his actions both as a lawyers and in his religious practices. Please educate yourself. Why would a slave first for his slave master unless he was forced?

          • Rebecca -  August 30, 2016 - 8:07 pm

            What a joke! Why the hell would slaves be happy to fight for America, a country you just stated was based on a principal of all WHITE people being created equal? This is cognitive dissonance at its best! Do you also hate northerners for the war of northern oppression?

          • Darryl -  August 30, 2016 - 9:21 pm

            No Spiffy, the hireling and slave fought against your enemies. Your ancestors were the enemies of the slave. It would be madness for him to fight for you who made him a slave. (the use of the personal pronoun is because of your use of “our”)

          • Sara -  August 31, 2016 - 12:20 pm

            How on earth was this nation founded on the principle that ALL men were created equal? This nation has never ever treated ALL men equally. Come on pull your head out and look at American History that is truthful and accurate, not the BS you are taught in white government schools.

          • In His Service -  September 3, 2016 - 2:42 pm

            So, in essence, the slaves were fighting for freedom too – freedom from the slavery in America. It is ironic that the song is of freedom but that freedom was not for everyone – hypocrisy.

        • crawford -  August 29, 2016 - 9:06 pm

          I also agree. Knowing history and what the song really says Its disgusting to pretend that its patriotic and represents ALL Americans.

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        • scyren -  August 29, 2016 - 9:09 pm

          Yeah, cause only black people sing like that and butcher the anthem. Stupid. Whitney Houston has the greatest rendition of the anthem and newsflash, she was black and did a beautiful job.

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        • Sierra -  August 30, 2016 - 2:21 pm

          Yep, so true, I think I will just sit next time.

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        • Totally Agreed! -  August 30, 2016 - 6:45 pm

          Slaves (Blacks) were not free men at this time. The third verse said there was no refuge for them so that means they were sought out and murdered. The star-spangled banner waves over the land of the free (not Blacks) and who are referred to as the home of the brave? The Indians that were slaughtered, made to deliver gold to Chris Columbus or have hands chopped off and worn around their necks, murdered, raped, wiped out so that “freemen” could take over their land? Reality of the entire situation is we are all being forced to respect and honor unhonorable and disgusting brutes who were no more than evil pirates who set up their own laws and painted themselves as “pure” and “decent” and everything good. They have imposed their history (lies) on the world. People in this country have the nerve to judge the world? Oh yeah, everyone else is wicked and evil, women are treated as 2nd class citizens, everyone else are terrorists, we are great. After reading the third verse no person of color in this country should stand or put hand over their heart. Ours was ripped out. Oh and it wasn’t that long ago that so many died fighting for equality and freedom in this country.

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        • Frank Lee -  August 31, 2016 - 5:43 am

          The third verse was outdated and would’ve been wrong to leave in. That much was realized and so it was edited out… correcting the mistake. It’s not something this country lives by anymore so we can’t keep getting hung over about what this country used to be. The SSB has a different meaning than it once did and so does the flag. The flag and stands for honor, justice, freedom, liberty, etc, and it’s government officials who aren’t representing it properly so if Kaep feels so passionate about it then why not actually do something against what they stand for instead of just sitting around through the national anthem. He can definitely fund any actions he wants to take so why not take some action? He won’t. He’s loving the attention and will have some clueless people backing up his thoughts, but they will likely never be anything more than just thoughts on Kaep’s part.

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